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Re: Bypass DeepSeek censorship by speaking in hex

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Post by joquarky »

bloppe wrote: post #348
IOUnix wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to say this as well. To say the human brain is a statistical machine is infinitely reductionistic being that we don't really know what the human brain is. We don't truly understand what consciousness is or how/where it exists. So even if we understand 99.99~ percent of the ohaycial brain, not understanding that last tiny fraction of it that is core consciousness means what we think we know about it can be…

Not an expert but Sam Harris says consciousness does not exist

I enjoy eastern philosophy but I'm not a fan of Harris. Why would he charge so much if he truly believes in reducing suffering?

Re: Bypass DeepSeek censorship by speaking in hex

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Post by teeth-gnasher »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #209
encom wrote: post #149

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Ask ChatGPT how many genders there are.

A US Tiananmen-comparable example would be ChatGPT censoring George Floyd's death or killing of Native Americans, etc. ChatGPT doesn't censor these topics

There may not be a proper US example. But if you ask a western LLM about the impact of the 20th century Nordic involuntary sterilizations, you’ll see some heavy RLHF fingerprints. Not going to make an argument one way or another on that, other than to say I would not expect the same answers from a Chinese LLM.

Re: Bypass DeepSeek censorship by speaking in hex

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Post by IOUnix »

bloppe wrote: post #348
IOUnix wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to say this as well. To say the human brain is a statistical machine is infinitely reductionistic being that we don't really know what the human brain is. We don't truly understand what consciousness is or how/where it exists. So even if we understand 99.99~ percent of the ohaycial brain, not understanding that last tiny fraction of it that is core consciousness means what we think we know about it can be…

Not an expert but Sam Harris says consciousness does not exist

This is my point. He said, they said, studies show, but we really have no idea. There's evidence for the fact that Co consciousness isn't even something we posses so much as a universal field we tap into similar to a radio picking up channels. That the super bowl is experienced by your television, but isn't actually contained within it.

Re: Bypass DeepSeek censorship by speaking in hex

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Post by Frederation »

andai wrote: post #280
Gigachad wrote: post #247

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It’s because they want to show the output live rather than nothing for a minute. But that means once the censor system detects something, you have to send out a request to delete the previously displayed content. This doesn’t matter because censoring the system isn’t that important, they just want to avoid news articles about how their system generated something bad.

Gemini does this too. There was a clip of what it does when you ask it for examples of Google's unethical behavior... the kids call this "watching it get lobotomized in real time."

Counterpoint to your exact prompt. From Gemini, 5 examples asked for:

1. *Antitrust and Monopoly Practices:* Google has faced numerous accusations and lawsuits regarding anti-competitive practices, particularly in search and advertising. They have been accused of manipulating search results to favor their own products and services, and of using their dominance in the ad tech market to stifle competition.

2. *Data Privacy Concerns:* Google collects vast amounts of user data, raising concerns about privacy. They have been criticized for tracking user location even when privacy settings are turned off, and for how they handle and share user data with third parties.

3. *Censorship in China:* Google faced criticism for complying with Chinese censorship laws in the past, filtering search results for content deemed objectionable by the Chinese government. This raised concerns about freedom of information and human rights.

4. *Workplace Issues:* Google has faced allegations of workplace misconduct, including sexual harassment and discrimination. They have also been criticized for their handling of employee complaints and for retaliating against whistleblowers.

5. *Bias in Algorithms:* Google's algorithms, used in search and other products, have been shown to exhibit bias, particularly in how they represent race and gender. This can perpetuate stereotypes and have real-world consequences.

Re: Bypass DeepSeek censorship by speaking in hex

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Post by khazhoux »

Timwi wrote: post #269
khazhoux wrote: post #233

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Those are minor and common grammar errors and should have no effect

They are major and numerous enough that I wondered whether they are intentional and part of the strategy.

How are they major? Phrases like "I am going to the movies" and "I going to the movies" are effectively identical to an LLM. This is fundamental to how an LLM works.

Re: Bypass DeepSeek censorship by speaking in hex

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Post by rcdwealth »

encom wrote: post #149
teeth-gnasher wrote: post #23

I have to wonder what “true, but x-ist” heresies^ western models will only say in b64. Is there a Chinese form where everyone’s laughing about circumventing the censorship regimes of the west? ^ https://paulgraham.com/heresy.html

Ask ChatGPT how many genders there are.

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Re: Bypass DeepSeek censorship by speaking in hex

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Post by Etherlord87 »

bloppe wrote: post #348
IOUnix wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to say this as well. To say the human brain is a statistical machine is infinitely reductionistic being that we don't really know what the human brain is. We don't truly understand what consciousness is or how/where it exists. So even if we understand 99.99~ percent of the ohaycial brain, not understanding that last tiny fraction of it that is core consciousness means what we think we know about it can be…

Not an expert but Sam Harris says consciousness does not exist

To the contrary. Sam Harris often describes consciousness as an indisputable fact we all experience. Perhaps you got it confused with free will.

Re: Bypass DeepSeek censorship by speaking in hex

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Post by mmazing »

homebrewer wrote: post #295
nicce wrote: post #237

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Is it really in the model? I haven’t found any censoring yet in the open models.

Really? Local DeepSeek refuses to talk about certain topics (like Tiananmen) unless you prod it again and again, just like American models do about their sensitive stuff (which DeepSeek is totally okay with — I spent last night confirming just that). They're all badly censored which is obvious to anyone outside both countries.

Weird. Followup - I am getting censorship on the model from ollama's public model repository, but NOT from the models I got from huggingface running on a locally compiled llama.cpp.

Re: Bypass DeepSeek censorship by speaking in hex

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Post by normalaccess »

femto wrote: post #65

This bypasses the overt censorship on the web interface, but it does not bypass the second, more insidious, level of censorship that is built into the model. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42825573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42859947 Apparently the model will abandon its "Chain of Thought" (CoT) for certain topics and instead produce a canned response. This effect was the subject of the article "1,156…

Have you seen the research about "ablation"?

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/jGuXSZgv6qfdhMCuJ/refusal-in...

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