It looks like a pretty significant increase on SWE-Bench. Although that makes me wonder if there was some formatting or gotcha that was holding the results back before. If this will work for your use case then it could be a huge discount versus o1. Worth trying again if o1-mini couldn't handle the task before. $4/million output tokens versus $60. https://platform.openai.com/docs/pricing I am Tier 5 but I don't believ…
Tier 3 here and already see it on Limits page, so maybe the wait won't be long.
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#362Earlier quoted context omitted.
> lobotomise Anyone can write very fast software if you don't mind it sometimes crashing or having weird bugs. Why do people try to meme as if AI is different? It has unexpected outputs sometimes, getting it to not do that is 50% "more alignment" and 50% "hallucinate less". Just today I saw someone get the Amazon bot to roleplay furry erotica. Funny, sure, but it's still obviously a bug that a *sales bot* would do th…
If somebody wants their Amazon bot to role play as an erotic furry, that’s up to them, right? Who cares. It is working as intended if it keeps them going back to the site and buying things I guess. I don’t know why somebody would want that, seems annoying. But I also don’t expect people to explain why they do this kind of stuff.
A very funny bug, but a bug nonetheless.
And given this was shared via screenshots, it was done for a laugh.
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#364> Testers preferred o3-mini's responses to o1-mini 56% of the time I hope by this they don't mean me, when I'm asked 'which of these two responses do you prefer'. They're both 2,000 words, and I asked a question because I have something to do. I'm not reading them both ; I'm usually just selecting the one that answered first. That prompt is pointless. Perhaps as evidenced by the essentially 50% response rate: it's a…
1) sometimes I wanted the short answer, and so even though the long answer is better I picked the short one.
2) sometimes both contain code that is different enough that I am inclined to go with the one that is more similar to what I already had, even if the other approach seems a bit more solid.
3) Sometimes one will have less detail but more big picture awareness and the other will have excellent detail but miss some overarching point that is valuable. Depending on my mood I sometimes choose but it is annoying to have to do so because I am not allowed to say why I made the choice.
The area of human training methodology seems to be a big part of what got Deepseek's model so strong. I read the explanation of the test results as an acknowledgement by OpenAI of some weaknesses in its human feedback paradigm.
IMO the way it should work is that the thumbs up or down should be read in context by a reasoning being and a more in-depth training case should be developed that helps future models learn whatever insight the feedback should have triggered.
Feedback that A is better or worse than B is definitely not (in my view) sufficient except in cases where a response is a total dud. Usually the responses have different strengths and weaknesses and it's pretty subjective which one is better.
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#365I used o3-mini to summarize this thread so far. Here's the result: https://gist.github.com/simonw/09e5922be0cbb85894cf05e6d75ae... For 18,936 input, 2,905 output it cost 3.3612 cents. Here's the script I used to do it: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/claude-hacker-news-themes...
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#367Earlier quoted context omitted.
So for posterity, in this subthread we found that I can use OpenAI without them training on my data, whereas I cannot with DeepSeek.
What do you mean? They both say the same thing for usage through API. You can also use DeepSeek on your own compute.
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#368So can I ditch the $200 a month o1 pro account, and go back to the $20 account with 03-mini?
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#369Hopefully this is a big improvement from o1. o1 has been very disappointing after spending sufficient time with Claude Sonnet 3.5. It's like it actively tries to gaslight me and thinks it knows more than I do. It's too stubborn and confidently goes off in tangents, suggesting big changes to parts of the code that aren't the issue. Claude tends to be way better at putting the pieces together in its not-quite-mental-mo…
I've also noticed that with cGPT. That said I often run into a sort of opposite issue with Claude. It's very good at making me feel like a genius. Sometimes I'll suggest trying a specific strategy or trying to define a concept on my own, and Claude enthusiastically agrees and takes us down a 2-3 hour rabbit hole that ends up being quite a waste of time for me to back track out of. I'll then run a post-mortem through…
However I have suggested worse approaches on purpose and sometime Claude does pick them up as less than optimal
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#370O3-mini solved this prompt. DeepSeek R1 had a mental breakdown. The prompt: “Bob is facing forward. To his left is Ann, to his right is Cathy. Ann and Cathy are facing backwards. Who is on Ann’s left?”