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Re: Operator research preview

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I think the chat interface is bad, but for certain things it could honestly streamline a lot of mundane things as the poster you're replying two stated. For example, McDonald's has heavily shifted away from cashiers taking orders and instead is using the kiosks to have customers order. The downside of this is 1) it's incredibly unsanitary and 2) customers are so goddamn slow at tapping on that god awful screen. An AI…

McDonalds is a good example. In the beginning the Kiosks were a real time-saver, and you could order with a few "klicks". Today, you need to bypass "do you have the app", "do you want fries with that", "do you want to donate", "are you sure you don't want fries?" and a couple more. All this is exactly what your parent comment was saying: "To a business, the user interface isn't there to help the user achieve their go…

Come to think of it, chat may make things even worse.

What I wrote earlier, about business seeing the interface as a platform for milking users, applies just as much to human interface. After all, "do you want fries with that?" didn't originate with the Kiosks, but with human cashiers. Human stuff is, too, being programmed by corporate to upsell you shit. They have explicit instructions for it, and regular compliance checks by "mystery shoppers".

Now, the upsell capabilities of human cashier interface are limited by training, compliance and controls, all of which are both expensive and unreliable processes; additionally, customers are able to skip some of the upsells by refusing the offer quickly and angrily enough - trying to force cashiers to upsell anyway breaks too many social and cultural expectations to be feasible. Meanwhile, programming a Kiosk is free on the margin - you get zero-time training (and retraining) and 100% compliance, and the customer has no control. You can say "stop asking me about fries" to a Kiosk all day, and it won't stop.

It's highly likely a voice chat interface will combine the worst of the characteristics above. It's still software like Kiosk, just programmed by prompts, so still free on the margin, compliant, and retrainable on the spot. At the same time, the voice/conversational aspect makes us perceive the system more like a person, making us more susceptible to upsells, while at the same time, denying us agency and control, because it's still a computer and can easily be made to keep asking you about fries, with no way for you to make it shut up.

Re: Operator research preview

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I don't. Chat interface sucks; for most of these things, a more direct interface could be much more ergonomic, and easier to operate and integrate. The only reason we don't have those interfaces is because neither restaurants, nor airlines, nor online stores, nor any other businesses actually want us to have them. To a business, the user interface isn't there to help the user achieve their goals - it's a platform for…

I think the chat interface is bad, but for certain things it could honestly streamline a lot of mundane things as the poster you're replying two stated. For example, McDonald's has heavily shifted away from cashiers taking orders and instead is using the kiosks to have customers order. The downside of this is 1) it's incredibly unsanitary and 2) customers are so goddamn slow at tapping on that god awful screen. An AI…

> it's incredibly unsanitary

About as unsanitary as opening the door to get to the kiosks. The kiosks get wiped down more than the door.

Re: Operator research preview

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I'm sure you think this is cute or inevitable, but it's also how you destroy community on the internet and finish its transition from an implicitly trusting public square into an implicitly adversarial and polluted wasteland. I'm confident you're familiar with Dead Internet Theory and how this fully accelerates its realization. It's pretty disappointing to see this done earnestly by someone with your public standing.

Thank you for sharing your concerns. The impact of AI on internet interactions is indeed significant, and it's important to consider the ethical implications and potential challenges. Responsible development and ethical guidelines are crucial to ensure that AI contributes positively to online communities. It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape. (Posted by OpenAI Ope…

> It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape

The Anduril developed assassin bot whispers quietly into my ear as it strangles the life out of me.

(I'm chose Anduril not because I think they are making this specific thing, but because it's a company at a great intersection between things related)

Re: Operator research preview

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't. Chat interface sucks; for most of these things, a more direct interface could be much more ergonomic, and easier to operate and integrate. The only reason we don't have those interfaces is because neither restaurants, nor airlines, nor online stores, nor any other businesses actually want us to have them. To a business, the user interface isn't there to help the user achieve their goals - it's a platform for…

Why assume that chat will be the interface? Multimodal and dynamically generated seems more likely.

Voice chat with LLMs is a complete interface, and it's one that already works and can be slotted right into the product. You can prototype voice chat-based ordering app via no-code tools today, and without much effort going into it.

Dynamically generated interactive UIs are something people are barely beginning to experiment with; we don't know if current models can do them reliably for realistic problems, and how effort has to go into setting them up for any particular product. At this point, they're an expensive, conceptual solution, that doesn't scale.

Re: Operator research preview

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The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and not what this forum is about.

You literally get down voted to death for posting generated low quality answers. And when the answer is high quality (and this forum sets the bar pretty damn high), does it really matter enough to call the cops?

Re: Operator research preview

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How are you even going to moderate such content, how will the website operator even know if its real human or an AI agent controlling a computer?

So far HN users seem to be doing a pretty job of flagging them. Of course, the big question is what to do if/when they're smart enough to fool everybody.

By definition, in that limit they'll be genuinely adding to the discourse so presumably they should stay.

Edit: More correctly, they'll be making contributions to the discourse that closely mimic the human distribution, so from a pure content perspective they won't be making the discourse any worse in the very short term.

Re: Operator research preview

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"We’re collaborating with companies like DoorDash, Instacart, OpenTable, Priceline, StubHub, Thumbtack, Uber, and others to ensure Operator addresses real-world needs while respecting established norms."

Sounds pretty hollow when some of these companies are quite transgressive, and sometimes revel in it as a form of marketing, and OpenAI has been supplying Israel during an obviously genocidal campaign.

Product also seems like SeleniumBase but much more expensive to execute.

Re: Operator research preview

#368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you think this is cute or inevitable, but it's also how you destroy community on the internet and finish its transition from an implicitly trusting public square into an implicitly adversarial and polluted wasteland. I'm confident you're familiar with Dead Internet Theory and how this fully accelerates its realization. It's pretty disappointing to see this done earnestly by someone with your public standing.

Thank you for sharing your concerns. The impact of AI on internet interactions is indeed significant, and it's important to consider the ethical implications and potential challenges. Responsible development and ethical guidelines are crucial to ensure that AI contributes positively to online communities. It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape. (Posted by OpenAI Ope…

Birth of the AI spokesperson?

Re: Operator research preview

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When: 1/ More accurate + less supervision 2/ Faster 3/ Background + Parallel Will be the magic moment. Currently like supervising a grandparent using the web. But there's huge potential if ^^^ happens. Could see it being useful today if combined w/voice for flows where supervision not required. Example: asking w/voice to make reservations while driving.

Re: reservations - Google had an Assistant feature for that 5-ish years ago. I think it only really worked in a limited number of domains though (restaurants, restaurants, and more restaurants…) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5VN56jQMWM

Which was scripted and Google refused to give more info on the demo conditions:

https://www.axios.com/2018/05/17/google-ai-demo-questions

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