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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way I think about this project, along with all of Trump's plans, is that he wants to maximize the US's economic output to ensure we are competitive with China in the future. Yes, it would make money for stockholders. But it's much more than that: it's an empire-scale psychological game for leverage in the future.

> he wants to maximize the US's economic output to ensure we are competitive with China in the future. LOL Under Trump policies, China will win "in the future" on energy and protein production alone. Once we've speedrunned our petro supply and exhausted our agricultural inputs with unfathomably inefficient protein production, China can sit back and watch us crumble under our own starvation. No conflict necessary unde…

What do you think the Greenland and Canada thing is all about?

Sort things out with Venezuela and this issue resolves itself (for a little while, at least).

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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post #312

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Oracle / Texans running it.. they don't care what you think about it

They’re all the same to you huh? One bucket for everyone? I think there’s a term for that.

Coastalists

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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You have to keep in mind Microsoft is planning on spending almost 100B in datacenter capex this year and they're not alone. This is basically OpenAI matching the major cloud provider's spending. This could also be (at least partly) a reaction to Microsoft threatening to pull OpenAI's cloud credits last year. OpenAI wants to maintain independence and with compute accounting for 25–50% of their expenses (currently) [2]…

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Who is "we"?

This isn't your money

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Not to be confused by the other (non-fictional) DoD Stargate Project[0], that involved "remote-viewing" and other psychic crap. The AI Stargate Project claims it will "create hundreds of thousands of American jobs". One has doubts. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

"Psychic crap" that went on for 20+ years ? Sure.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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I'm confused and a bit disturbed; honestly having a very difficult time internalizing and processing this information. This announcement is making me wonder if I'm poorly calibrated on the current progress of AI development and the potential path forward. Is the key idea here that current AI development has figured out enough to brute force a path towards AGI? Or I guess the alternative is that they expect to figure…

Largest GPU cluster at the moment is X.ai's 100K H100's which is ~$2.5B worth of GPUs. So, something 10x bigger (1M GPUs) is $25B, and add $10B for 1GW nuclear reactor.

This sort of $100-500B budget doesn't sound like training cluster money, more like anticipating massive industry uptake and multiple datacenters running inference (with all of corporate America's data sitting in the cloud).

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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I'm confused and a bit disturbed; honestly having a very difficult time internalizing and processing this information. This announcement is making me wonder if I'm poorly calibrated on the current progress of AI development and the potential path forward. Is the key idea here that current AI development has figured out enough to brute force a path towards AGI? Or I guess the alternative is that they expect to figure…

It's a typical Trump-style announcement -- IT'S GONNA BE HUUUGE!! -- without any real substance or solid commitments

Remember Trump's BIG WIN of Foxconn investing $10B to build a factory in Wisconsin, creating 13000 jobs?

That was in 2017. 7 years later, it's employing about 1000 people if that. Not really clear what, if anything, is being made at the partially-built factory. [0]

And everyone's forgotten about it by now.

I expect this to be something along those lines.

[0] https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2023/03/23/wha...

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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I'm watching the announcement live from the white house and something about this just feels so strange and dystopian.

For me it's watching a gay man grovel at the feet of one of the most anti-LGBT politicians, a day after Trump signed multiple executive orders that dehumanized Altman and the LGBT community. Every token thinks they're special until they're spent.

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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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"create hundreds of thousands of American jobs"... Given the current educational system in the US, this should be fun to watch. Oh yeah, Musk and his H-1B Visa thing. Now it's making sense.

maybe this is to employ the hundreds of thousands of federal employees that are about to lose their jobs?
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