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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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A meta level comment for dang, I’m upvoting every comment that is being gang-downvoted…independent of the position. This topic, with roots going back millennia, deserves to have all opinions captured and presented, if nothing more than as a snapshot/wave collapse of where the opposing sides sat in 2025.

Noting that, ceasefires are wonderful things.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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The NYTimes widely referenced but debunked story “Screams without words” about alleged rapes on October 7 was co-authored by a literal IDF intelligence agent. Also the Atlantic Editor-in-Chief is IDF. More importantly, why are there so few Muslim newsroom editors and reporters jn the US media vs Jewish editors and reporters? Polls immediately after Oct 7 showed college students support Hamas more than Israel, and tha…

A UN envoy says there are ‘reasonable grounds’ to believe Hamas committed sexual violence on Oct. 7 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-...

Why did Israel refuse cooperation if there was any evidence for sexual violence?

"The UN's special representative on conflict-related sexual violence asked to investigate Hamas' alleged crimes on October 7 and towards the hostages, but Israel refused her request to access Israeli detention facilities to examine claims of IDF abuse. Israeli women's rights groups warn this could lead to Israel, instead of Hamas, being added to the UN's sexual violence blacklist" [1]

The UN envoy also stated in its report they did not and could not collect any forensic evidence due to the lack of Israel's cooperation. "In the more than 5,000 photos and around fifty hours of footage from the attacks that the mission team reviewed, “no digital evidence specifically depicting acts of sexual violence was found.” Further, “no tangible indications of rape could be identified” in digital analyses of corpses by the mission team." [2]

There is however forensic evidence and video footage of israelis raping[3] Palestinians: "After the Haaretz report of dozens of deaths, there was no new comment. Later that same week in June, the New York Times published an investigation into the conditions at Sde Teiman, which contained testimony from former prisoners that their Israeli jailors had tortured them with anal rape by a metal rod, among other abuses."

[1] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-08/ty-article/.p...

[2] https://progressive.org/op-eds/what-did-the-un-report-on-sex...

[3] https://theintercept.com/2024/08/09/israel-prison-sde-teiman...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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They did take deals, repeatedly. This is the fourth or so deal that Hamas has accepted, the surprising thing is that Israel has accepted it too

I've read a lot of reporting over that time period and all of it said Hamas was holding out for a final agreement that would include a permanent cessation of hostilities, while Netanyahu (who, to be clear, I believe to be a war criminal) is publicly on the record saying he would sign a temporary deal that exchanged hostages for prisoners. If you can cite a source clearly stating Hamas accepted these terms, the May 27…

Oh it's a temporary 42 day one :c. I assumed it was permanent and that Hamas would not give away all their leverage (the hostages) in exchange for only a pause in the fighting.

No, you're right - they just wore them down.

To: "But you can't "take" a deal your counterparty refuses.", I meant that, several times there were articles saying a ceasefire was near, negotiated by a third party, and in those it has been Israel rejecting it for being permanent and not temporary.

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IDF 100% should cease to exist as well. It's long overdue. I don't know how an organization can officially be labelled as genocidal and be allowed to continue functioning as they do

You're welcome to try, but I do not believe you will get far. That's the thing with militaries. You kind of have to overpower them in order to get rid of them.

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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I've read a lot of reporting over that time period and all of it said Hamas was holding out for a final agreement that would include a permanent cessation of hostilities, while Netanyahu (who, to be clear, I believe to be a war criminal) is publicly on the record saying he would sign a temporary deal that exchanged hostages for prisoners. If you can cite a source clearly stating Hamas accepted these terms, the May 27…

Oh it's a temporary 42 day one :c. I assumed it was permanent and that Hamas would not give away all their leverage (the hostages) in exchange for only a pause in the fighting. No, you're right - they just wore them down. To: "But you can't "take" a deal your counterparty refuses.", I meant that, several times there were articles saying a ceasefire was near, negotiated by a third party, and in those it has been Israe…

They are not releasing all of the hostages, only 33 out of 98.

Edit: only 22 of the 33 are estimated to be alive, the rest being dead bodies. Not sure what are the estimates for the other 65.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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While this is a good development. Everything in this part of the world is on a rinse snd repeat cycle ever since the Assyrians and the Babylonians - it hasn't changed much except maybe its actually a little more humane then it was in the past (which says something). Sorry for the cynical take but this just does a temporary stop.

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What swayed me to one side was not looking at the past, but looking at the future. One side is able to develop this land and benefit the rest of the world. The other side is unstoppingly doing damage to others, even in my home country (France), while providing no value whatsoever.

What you do with your life matters.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Oh it's a temporary 42 day one :c. I assumed it was permanent and that Hamas would not give away all their leverage (the hostages) in exchange for only a pause in the fighting. No, you're right - they just wore them down. To: "But you can't "take" a deal your counterparty refuses.", I meant that, several times there were articles saying a ceasefire was near, negotiated by a third party, and in those it has been Israe…

They are not releasing all of the hostages, only 33 out of 98. Edit: only 22 of the 33 are estimated to be alive, the rest being dead bodies. Not sure what are the estimates for the other 65.

Gotcha, makes sense. In that case, I expect that at then end of the 42 days the war will continue and for Trump to hand the West Bank and much of Palestinian land to Israel as a "buffer zone".
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