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Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

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Post by returningfory2 »

tripper_27 wrote: post #30
jmyeet wrote: post #25

I happened to be living in London when congestion pricing was brought in and the difference on day 1 in the West End was like night and day. I believe it's never gone back to the pre-congestion pricing levels. I fully expect similar in Manhattan. The social media response has been particularly interesting. Predictably, there are a lot of non-NYCers who simply object to the slightest inconvenience to driving in any fo…

Several EU cities have experimented with making public transport free, and people seem to really enjoy it. Also, as you so eloquently put it, it isn't clear that the cost for issuing and checking tickets is covered by the income from the tickets, and there are reasons why MTA tickets cannot be priced at the actual cost to cover the ticket compliance infrastructure -- with a nice analogy to the cost of parking vs valu…

Some internet searching suggests fares account for between 25 and 33 percent of the MTA’s revenue. There’s no way the infrastructure for collecting fares costs that much.

This is one of the main criticisms of free fares: in reality the revenue stream from fares is never actually fully replaced, so it just results in the transit agency becoming underfunded. This makes transit worse for existing users who are already paying. The new users you get because of free fares are mostly casual users like tourists who have alternate options, so serving them isn’t that useful and not worth the negative impact on existing users.

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

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Post by master_crab »

alephnerd wrote: post #298
master_crab wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1850-1950s. But just as importantly this time frame also happened to be before the NIMBYists stepped in (which is arguably more consequential).

Much of SF didn't even exist until the 1930s-50s. For example, most of Sunset and Richmond is tract housing built during that era - before then it was sand dunes and chicken farms. People underestimate how new much of the Western US is. For example, Dallas only began expanding in 1891 after the railways were built, LA was a small town until the 1910s-30s era expansion, modern San Jose only formed in the 1960s-70s aft…

While that’s true of the outer communities (San Jose, etc) I took the OP’s message as referring to SF core/downtown which was already pretty developed by the 1950s. Unlike LA, SF was a major city far earlier.

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Post by codewench »

screye wrote: post #300
jmyeet wrote: post #25

I happened to be living in London when congestion pricing was brought in and the difference on day 1 in the West End was like night and day. I believe it's never gone back to the pre-congestion pricing levels. I fully expect similar in Manhattan. The social media response has been particularly interesting. Predictably, there are a lot of non-NYCers who simply object to the slightest inconvenience to driving in any fo…

All studies show that free public transit is a bad idea. There is a reason no country provides it. People mis-treat free things. When you ask them to pay for it, it enforces civic contracts. With contactless terminals in place, a free MTA benefits no one. It's also difficult to get additional funding to improve something that's free. An MTA monthly pass is 130$. That's the price of a single uber round-trip to JFK. NY…

> There is a reason no country provides it.

While small, Luxembourg is still considered a country. And their public transit is both free, and fantastic

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

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Post by lotsoweiners »

izacus wrote: post #322
kethinov wrote: post #294

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Would be nice if they made transit better first instead of making driving worse first.

And will the drivers be prepared to fund this via another channel?

They already fund it via gas tax, registration fees, regular taxes. Let the public transit takers fund their own improvements.

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Post by rtkwe »

ortusdux wrote: post #5
freditup wrote: post #3

Note that it was snowy in NYC today, so people were likely dissuaded to drive by other factors than congestion pricing as well. It'll be interesting to see what impact there is as we get further along in the year. The dashboard is based off of Google Maps travel time data which I'm unsure of the exact accuracy. I imagine the city might also have other more direct metrics that can be used, such as the count of vehicle…

https://www.wired.com/story/99-phones-fake-google-maps-traff...

It's a neat little project but people aren't doing that on the regular so the data should be pretty good.

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

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Post by [deleted] »

Aspos wrote: post #360
CPLX wrote: post #328

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> as far as I can tell got very little for my money You literally lived in the greatest city in the history of world civilization. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

You seriously think NYC is the greatest city in the history of world civilization? Or is it sarcasm? I am asking this as NYC resident.

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Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

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Post by tokioyoyo »

Aspos wrote: post #360
CPLX wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as far as I can tell got very little for my money You literally lived in the greatest city in the history of world civilization. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

You seriously think NYC is the greatest city in the history of world civilization? Or is it sarcasm? I am asking this as NYC resident.

As my sister says (lives around Prospect Park with kids) — if you don’t gaslight yourself that it’s the best city in the world while paying such premiums to live here, you’ll get depressed in a second.

But I agree, I’m scratching my head whenever I hear that statement. It’s definitely the best city in USA though, as there are about 3 real cities in the country.

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

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Post by throw4847285 »

kethinov wrote: post #294
fuzzylightbulb wrote: post #196

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That is literally what the money is for

Would be nice if they made transit better first instead of making driving worse first.

Driving in New York has been terrible for a century. The only way to make it better is to disincentivize people from doing it by making it more costly and making public transit better. Urban planners have known this is the case since at least the 40s.

Congestion pricing isn't some kind of new punishment. It's a bill, long overdue, finally getting paid (and only partially).

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