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Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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post #354

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Can you give an example? It sounds like you have something specific in mind.

They banned Laura Looner for just showing up.

I don't know how reliable a source daily dot is, but [their report](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/bluesky-ban-laura-loomer-catt...) says that is untrue.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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post #109

> don’t build your castle in a kingdom that somebody else controls > I’ll encourage folks to drive those conversations to community-specific spaces (like Discourse, Discord, etc). Who does the author think controls Discord?

> Who does the author think controls Discord? I think you misunderstand what sort of control they speak about. I think what they're getting at is "Who is doing the moderation?" rather than "Who is maintaining the servers?", so the community aspect instead of the technical details. I think Discord let people do the moderation part pretty much however they want, compared to say Twitter where there is one moderation tea…

The author lists a set of rules, one of which is: "always move people back to your kingdom, never to another kingdom".

So he's motivated by "moving people to kingdoms", which sounds like the exact thing he's calling out the big social platforms on, but adopting himself on a smaller scale.

In the end, respecting users isn't the guiding force. "Kingdom building" is. Brand building. Users herded like cattle from castle to castle. It's "trust me bro" website ethics replacing corporate social media policies.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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I am a huge BLuesky fan. I have switched my entire social experience to it. I get good engagement, mostly with seemingly decent people. I almost always can find interesting things to read. I have moderated the shit out of my feed. I rarely see things I do not want to (I had to give up politics and current events after the election). I use the list feature to curate separate feeds for different topics (music, programm…

I like, and want to use Bluesky, but I mostly use socials to share my content and engagement is not comparable - I may get 200 "likes" on Twitter and 7 on Bluesky, for example. So while I would like to stop using Twitter, it has no alternative for me, currently.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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post #46

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"Openness",as far as for-profit businesses are concerned, is a marketing strategy. Once enough users are locked in, there is no reason to offer a valuable feature for free.

You're assuming that every for profit business is entirely devoid of morality. This was not true under the Keynesian compromise of the 20th century, and is not true of every business today. Just because people are sometimes selfish doesn't mean they never have any principles.

Far more often than not, businesses have compromised on their principles until there was nothing left of them. The exceptions prove the rule. Perhaps people have principles, but they rarely apply them at work, and if so they are swiftly replaced by more pliable employees.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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> You'll be surprised how many people think they can just use first.lastname@gmail.com and have email magically appear in their account. Since I like surprises, do tell ... how many people think that?

At least 6 with my not-that-common (maybe somewhere in the middle) first and last name combination. Maybe more, but at least six of the emails meant for others that I've received, implied they live at those six unique locations. I know one of them likes to get the vegetarian meal option when traveling internationally by plane. (Companies should really validate email address OWNERSHIP before spamming innocent people.)

Are you sure they were confused people? More probable explanation is that they made typos while entering their email.

The alternative explanation, that they roitinely use [your name].[your last name]@gmail.com as their email, and don't realize that it never works is... unlikely IMO.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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I think the entire attitude of the author coming in to this is wrong. It's zero sum. It's an assumption that you're either gaining from the platform or the platform is gaining from you. This is wrong. The platform has network effects that make everyone well off. Google owns Youtube, yes it gets enormous value from creating/owning the platform. But Youtube isn't exploiting Mr Beast, Mr Beast also gains enormous value…

But what if Google changes the TOS for YouTube and puts Mr. Beast out of business? Should that guy just retire and be happy with what he got?

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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they may be confused by it yet it is not a hard concept

It's not a hard concept, but it is a stupid one. Phone numbers for example you can take with you when you switch providers. Email has the provider hardcoded into your email address, thus every new provider means you have a new email. The Web still lacks a first-class concept of a user identify that you can take with you across servers.

Phone numbers only work that way due to laws requiring number portability. Otherwise the provider is encoded in the number range.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

#369

I am a huge BLuesky fan. I have switched my entire social experience to it. I get good engagement, mostly with seemingly decent people. I almost always can find interesting things to read. I have moderated the shit out of my feed. I rarely see things I do not want to (I had to give up politics and current events after the election). I use the list feature to curate separate feeds for different topics (music, programm…

I like, and want to use Bluesky, but I mostly use socials to share my content and engagement is not comparable - I may get 200 "likes" on Twitter and 7 on Bluesky, for example. So while I would like to stop using Twitter, it has no alternative for me, currently.

I have little faith that twitter is accurately reporting like counts, given that inventing bigger numbers is convincing people to stay there.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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post #179
post #168

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Yeah, and then experts will use ad-free alternative clients and most people won't. But it will still be better than other social media systems that ban alternative clients.

I guess then Bluesky will ban alternative clients and start charging for API, a-la Musk?

Twitter managed without banning alternative clients for 16 years, right up until the advent of Naughty Old Mr Car.

(They did vaguely try once, but there was such a backlash that they backed off.)

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