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Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by nunez »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #23
fifilura wrote: post #10

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> I don't want to support AI or have my code trained on AI. What are your arguments for this?

1. I believe AI is detrimental. It makes us go too fast. It's all about production now, pure efficiency over individuals. 2. AI is too dangerous. Whatever innovations used for benign applications will be eventually used for more dangerous applications such as advanced genetic engineering and the military. 3. AI uses too much energy. It's disrespectful to the resources that we have. 4. AI is an apex technology amongst…

My views exactly. I'll add two more:

- AI output is taken as an ultimate source of truth despite frequently, and dangerously, getting details wrong. Fact-checking is abdicated as a personal responsibly while simultaneously marketing and designing products to people who are weak at or are otherwise indifferent about critical thinking. (This is similar to social media products telling its users to "consume responsibly" while designing them to be as addictive as possible.)

- AI is expensive. Microsoft, Google and Meta are the only companies that can afford to train. I don't feel comfortable with allowing these companies to be the ultimate arbiter of truth behind the scenes.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by TowerTall »

archon810 wrote: post #352
TowerTall wrote: post #349

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I have just complete as month long task of developing a highly complex library in C# (a parser that uses ANTLR) together with claude and cursor and it worked very well. For me trick was to do test driven development and write all the tests first. Then after each code change rerun the tests. This made it very easy for claude to work out what to do and what needed to be corrected for things to work. Then you get your t…

Can Cursor actually update the files? Because I've seen many examples and complaints, most recently from my developer, that it says it's changing the files, but nothing actually changes, and when pressed, says it can't actually change files. I've found numerous threads about this issue on their forums too.

It can. It can modify the active document.

In the chat sidebar dialog there are two submit buttons. The one labelled "chat" cannot edit the active file and when you chat using that submit button it doesn't understand your code base.

The submit button labelled "Codebase chat" on the other hand can update the active document and has knowledge about your project.

In the codebase chat dialog it will print the suggested changes and then you must press the apply button next to the suggested change. then it will apply the changes to the file in a git compare kind of way with red and green colors. Finally you must accept each of the red/green changes and the file will be updated on disk.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by pestkranker »

timrogers wrote: post #141
pestkranker wrote: post #102

I hope access to Code Review in GitHub will be available to paid users soon! It's going to be a game changer as a first level of code review before real people get involved with the PR.

I love to hear this as the PM for Copilot code review at GitHub! We’re running a preview of the code review feature right now, and are looking forward to opening it to all paid subscribers soon. If you’d like to try it sooner, I can hook you up - just email my HN username @github.com :)

I have just sent you an email. Thank you Tim!

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by TowerTall »

TowerTall wrote: post #362
archon810 wrote: post #352

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Can Cursor actually update the files? Because I've seen many examples and complaints, most recently from my developer, that it says it's changing the files, but nothing actually changes, and when pressed, says it can't actually change files. I've found numerous threads about this issue on their forums too.

It can. It can modify the active document. In the chat sidebar dialog there are two submit buttons. The one labelled "chat" cannot edit the active file and when you chat using that submit button it doesn't understand your code base. The submit button labelled "Codebase chat" on the other hand can update the active document and has knowledge about your project. In the codebase chat dialog it will print the suggested c…

An alternative is aider that can edit multiple files at once. It performs a git commit after each changes which drove me nuts and didn't fit into my workflow. With cursor you decide when to commit to git which i like better.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by _heimdall »

fragmede wrote: post #296
_heimdall wrote: post #279

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Can those weights be interpreted by anyone viewing them? If not, it seems like publicly available, obfuscated code at best.

"model available" would be my preferred term. Is Photoshop.exe "interpretable" by anybody with a copy (of windows)? How about a binary that's been heavily decompiled, like a Mario game?

Photoshop doesn't claim to be open source like llama does though, I'm not sure of the connection you're making.

Don't get me wrong, llama is at least more open than OpenAI and that may be meaningful.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by xpl »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #294
xpl wrote: post #261

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It is to collect more data for LLM training. To tap into proprietary code bases that are never uploaded to GitHub.

Have you read the terms or are you just saying things?

I didn't. Terms are subject to change + can be vaguely written. What matters is your data getting uploaded to someone else's cloud.

Even if they explicitly and clearly state that they don't use your data for any purpose other than generating immediate responses, they can change this once the free Copilot gains traction and people become really addicted to it.

Like, "pay if you don't want us to use your data for training". Most people won't pay and will be happy to give away their data instead.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by ghthor »

solarkraft wrote: post #281

I have already replaced Copilot with continue.dev+qwen2.5-coder:1.5b on Ollama and don't see myself coming back. For the last year Copilot completions have been slow, unreliable and just bad , coming in at random moments, messing up syntax in dumb ways, being slow and sometimes not showing up at all. It has been painfully bad even though it used to be good. Maybe it's since they switched from Codex to the general GPT…

Same, tabbyML+llammacpp running StarCoder3B runs great, excellent completions for go, terraform, shell, nix

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by ghthor »

huijzer wrote: post #297
euoia wrote: post #289

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Do you have a guide for how to set this up? I am also pretty dissatisfied with Copilot completions.

Probably via Tabby ( https://www.tabbyml.com/ )

Tabby is great! Though they broke the vim plugin going for lsp support, but older version still works fine.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by ghthor »

thot_experiment wrote: post #156
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #74

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> 3- fast on CPU only Unless you've got a CPU with AI-specific accelerators and unified memory, I doubt you're going to find that. I can't imagine any model under 7B parameters is useful, and even with dual-channel DDR5-6400 RAM (Which I think is 102 GB/s?) and 8-bit quantization, you could only generate 15 tokens/sec, and that's assuming your CPU can actually process that fast. Your memory bandwidth could easily be…

deepseek-1b, qwen2.5-coder:1.5b, and starcoder2-3b are all pretty fast on cpu due to their small size, you're not going to be able to have conversations with them or ask them to perform transformations on your code but autocomplete should work well

Starcoder3B works great in my second hand rtx2080. Can’t run 7B, just a hair too little Ram, but still great completions

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by ribadeo »

weebull wrote: post #342
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #293

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I never understood the move to Discord. Maybe I should host a PhpBB and bring some sanity back.

> phpBB Whoa there Nelly! If we're going to resurrect things, can we do it whilst leaving PHP in the past?

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