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Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Google does software/features relatively well, but they are completely lost when it comes to marketing, shipping, and continuing to support products. Or how would you describe their handling of Stadia, or their weird obsession about shipping and cancelling about a dozen instant messengers?

Stadia was a failure from the start. Microsoft and Nvidia are also laser-focused on this game streaming business, but I seriously doubt it will pan out ever . At least not in a profitable sense. In that regard, I think Google planned to be first-to-market, failed early, and killed their darling before anyone got a chance to love it. The IMs post-Hangouts are less explainable, but I do empathize with Google for wantin…

> Stadia was a failure from the start. Microsoft and Nvidia are also laser-focused on this game streaming business

Have you actually compared these services first hand? Stadia was miles ahead of the competition. The experience was unbelievably good and ubiquitous (Desktop, phone, TV, Chromecast...), and both mouse and gamepad felt like first class input methods.

Microsoft's Xbox game streaming is a complete joke in comparison. Last time I tried, I had to use my mouse to operate a virtual gamepad to operate a virtual cursor to click instruments in MSFS. Four levels of nesting. Development progress is also extremely slow. Not sure where you're seeing laser focus there.

> I do empathize with Google for wanting to find some form of SMS replacement standard

Why did Google out of all companies have to come up with an SMS replacement? Absolutely nobody asked for this! They started out with XMPP, which was federated and had world-class open source implementations, and after what feels like a double-digit number of failed attempts they arrived at SMS over SIP from hell that nobody other than themselves actually knows how to implement and only telcos can federate with (theoretically; practically, they just outsource to Google).

I find it really hard to believe that this is anything other than a thinly veiled marketing plot to be able to point at an "open standard" that Google is almost exclusively running via Jibe (not sure if they provide that for free or are charging carriers for it).

The contortions they went through to decouple their "Allo" and "Duo" brands from Google accounts (something almost everybody has anyway to send email!) for absolutely no benefit and even more significant customer confusion...

And now look at Gemini. It looks like the exact same story to me from the beginning: Amazing technology backed by a great team (they literally invented transformers), yet completely kneecapped by completely confused product development. It's unreal how much better it is queried through the API, but that's unfortunately not what people see when they go to gemini.google.com.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Gemini multimodal live docs here: https://cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/generative-ai/docs/model-... A little thin... Also no pricing is live yet. OpenAI's audio inputs/outputs are too expensive to really put in production, so hopefully Gemini will be cheaper. (Not to mention, OAI's doesn't follow instructions very well.)

I am eager to learn the pricing as well. It works sooo well but the pricing will make or break whether it's viable for apps

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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I asked Gemini about banning risks, and it answered: Gemini: Yes, there is a potential risk of your Google account being suspended if your SaaS is used to process inappropriate content, even if you use Gemini to reject the request. While Gemini can help you filter and identify harmful content, it's not a foolproof solution. Here are some additional measures you can take to protect your account: * Content moderation:…

So a convenient blah blah blah about all the nice things you can doto avoid Google's brainless algorithmic wrath, but which may simply not work anyhow because even by following all rules in good faith, you still get banned one day, as has happened to many, many people with zero recourse.

Yes, exactly. So, this is a huge security gap.

As an attacker, instead of DDoSing a service we could just upload a bunch of NSFW text so Google kills their infra for us.

Other providers, like OpenAI, at least provide a free moderation API. Google has a moderation API, that after the free 50k requests it is more expensive than Gemini 1.5 flash (Moderation API costs $0.0005/100 characters vs Gemini 1.5 flash $0.000001875/100 characters).

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Am I alone in thinking the word “agentic” is dumb as shit? Most of these things seem to just be a system prompt and a tool that get invoked as part of a pipeline. They’re hardly “agents”. They’re modules.

It's easier for consultants and sales people to sell to enterprise if the terminology is familiar but mysterious. Bad 1. installed Antivirus software 2. added screen-size CSS rules 3. copied 'Assets' harddrive to DropBox 4. edited homepage to include Bitcoin wallet address link 5. upgraded to ChatGPT Pro "Good" 1. Cyber-security defenses 2. Responsive Design implementation 3. Cloud Storage 4. Blockchain Technology ga…

George Carlin's "Euphimisms" comes to mind.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Gemini 2.0 Flash is available here: https://aistudio.google.com/prompts/new_chat Based on initial interactions, it's extremely verbose. It seems to be focused on explaining its reasoning, but even after just a few interactions I have seen some surprising hallucinations. For example, to assess current understanding of AI, I mentioned "Why hasn't Anthropic released Claude 3.5 Opus yet?" Gemini responded with text that…

Just speculating here but the verbose reasoning might be to make the "agentic" part work better as per the headline, ie pass context along to other agents. Would be good to get concise responses for human interactions though.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Wow! That’s all I need to know about Google’s model.

That's a comparison of multiple GPT-4 models working together... against a single GPT-4 mini style model.

multiple GPT-4 models working together

What do you mean? Is o1 not a single model?

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That won't help. Their TOS and policies are vague enough that they can terminate all accounts you own (under "Use of multiple accounts for abuse" for instance).

To be fair, I believe this is reserved for things like fighting fraud.

My buddy lost his Gmail account because of a heart attack followed by a string of events that google ‘AI’ considered too risky to allow the account to live.

If their fraud AI is wrong there is now human to talk to.

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GCP grew 35% last quarter , just saying ...

And AWS + Azure are 4.5x the size of GCP. AWS alone is 2.6x the size of GCP. So your point?

Not sure why you're comparing both AWS + Azure to GCP - did they become one company ? My point is GCP is growing very fast, AWS while being much bigger has slowed considerably to around 20% growth rate while GCP is at 35%. It has very good growth and many people seem to be adequately happy with it, in contrast to what many commenters here seem to think.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Isn't that the typical interpretation of what the parent comment said? How is it false?

35% over 12 months != 35% over 3 months.

In the financial industry you almost always compare over 12 months (year over year growth) to avoid noise like seasonality. It's so prevalent I didn't think I need to explain it but yeah I meant GCP grew 35% YOY.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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"just saying" things that are false. Google Cloud grew 35% year over year, when comparing the 3 months ending September 30th 2024 with 2023. https://abc.xyz/assets/94/93/52071fba4229a93331939f9bc31c/go... page 12

Isn't that the typical interpretation of what the parent comment said? How is it false?

It's indeed the typical interpretation of what I've said. I could have written YOY growth but it's so common that that's what everyone means people many times omit it.
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