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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Sure we do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/...

The same article you link only quote "speculation" on the role of Ukraine. There is no detailed evidence of the people involved (and if some certain other agencies are involved in this).

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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> Can’t they tell the Russian non-combat ships (or pressure them) to get lost? Not in international waters, which is where submarine cables are largely located. And even if they could: The oceans are... kind of big. If it were that easy to "just patrol" shipping lanes/submarine cable tracks etc., why would piracy still be a concern?

Would relatively cheap AI-piloted satellite connected ships with sensor equipment work as a solution?

I doubt it. It seems to be a similar problem to missile defense: When you have a lot of ground to cover and can only be in one place at a time, the defender will always be at a huge cost disadvantage compared to the attacker. That's only in one/two dimensions – add a third (submarines) and the cost imbalance shifts even more.

And even if it works, this will only give attackers pause that are deterred by attribution.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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The Russian oligarchs have no say in any of this, they never have, people in the West still repeating this mantra almost 3 years since the war in Ukraine has started for good is a big part of the reason why the same West is close to military defeat there, they just refuse to acknowledge how Russia really operates.

> a big part of the reason why the same West is close to military defeat there

3 years of stalemate war right next door is not impressive at all - how far can Russia really project its power ?

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure we do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/...

The same article you link only quote "speculation" on the role of Ukraine. There is no detailed evidence of the people involved (and if some certain other agencies are involved in this).

The same article you link only quote "speculation" on the role of Ukraine

It does not, and you're misreading the one sentence in the article where that word appears.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.

> it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable I don't understand. That's how I'd expect most accidents to happen. Someone decides to anchor too close to an undersea cable, the anchor fails to hold and the drifting ship drags the anchor over the cable damaging it. I'm not saying it wasn't sabotage, but there needs to be something a bit more than that. Sourc…

I can only upvote. How does the anchor come into contact with the cable if not by that exact sequence of steps? The ship isn't sailing through the Gulf with its anchor down, it has to go near the cable, drop anchor then drag. Otherwise the cable and anchor will not interact. This is the only way an accident could happen (almost).

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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> "it’s obvious this wasn’t an accidental anchor drop.” If it's "he who shall not be named", gotta admit, that's a clever strategy: ramp up sabotage and see how NATO/EU will feel about their "red lines", and how well does that article 5 really work in practice. Is it worth more than the paper it's printed on? Let's find out! People have been laughing at the West crossing multiple Russian "red lines" and the Russians…

Restraint is not weak and pathetic.

If you accidentally pick a fight with a BJJ fighter, hope they are a black belt instead of a purple.

Or to paraphrase Vladimir Kara-Murza, democracy will come to Russia. So far the west has been better off letting Putin tie his own noose.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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post #366

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> it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable I don't understand. That's how I'd expect most accidents to happen. Someone decides to anchor too close to an undersea cable, the anchor fails to hold and the drifting ship drags the anchor over the cable damaging it. I'm not saying it wasn't sabotage, but there needs to be something a bit more than that. Sourc…

I can only upvote. How does the anchor come into contact with the cable if not by that exact sequence of steps? The ship isn't sailing through the Gulf with its anchor down, it has to go near the cable, drop anchor then drag. Otherwise the cable and anchor will not interact. This is the only way an accident could happen (almost).

The problem comes when most of these cables land right at major ports.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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What business is that of ours? It's up to the Ukrainians what they are willing to do in defense of their country.

>we could have fight for us C'mon. Their funding is entirely US dependent. What business is that of ours? We are enabling it. How could you possibly ask the question "what business is that of ours"? Explain yourself, that question is absurd.

>C'mon. Their funding is entirely US dependent.

I believe you're misinformed about that.

   The majority of committed support by country has come from the United States,
   whose total aid commitment is valued at about $75 billion. The U.S. is 
   followed by Germany and the United Kingdom for highest commitments overall. 
   The European Union as a whole has committed approximately $93 billion in aid 
   to Ukraine.[0]
While the US is largest donor by country, the EU as a whole has contributed more than the US.[1] Which is unsurprising, given the circumstances.

So no. Ukraine funding is not entirely dependent on the US. Not even close.

[0] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/these-co...

[1] https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-s...

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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And also the cable between Lithuania and Sweden: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/18/telecoms-cable...

And also Ireland escorted a Russian spy ship away from their cables: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/16/russian-spy-sh...

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