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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by netsharc »

aziaziazi wrote: post #175
dylan604 wrote: post #90

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VW diesel-gate How many of the independents caught that?

Diesel gate involved also many others manufacturers > Opel (General Motors) publicly demonstrated (while representatives from the TÜV Hessen were present) a Zafira that met the NOx emission limits. At the same time, Opel started clandestinely pushing an engine software update that limited NOx emissions in Zafiras that were already on the road. > German newspaper Bild am Sonntag reported that US authorities investigat…

UK, French and German government agencies lobbied for weaker testing. Probably because of car industry lobbyists, and all the blah blah about "we sell cars, people stay employed, economy keeps going, you get reelected.". Ah, isn't democracy beautiful... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-franc...

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by not_a_bot_4sho »

vikingerik wrote: post #221
SoftTalker wrote: post #115

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What makes sense to me is the top 3 cars: Tesla - autopilot that really isn't, gets fooled in many situations, driver lulled into not paying attention, can't react quickly enough when the computer bails, and ends up driving into a bridge abutment at 75mph. Kia - cheap cars built to minimum safety standards driven by young people who aren't very experienced drivers. Buick - cars driven by geriatrics whose declines in…

I'd also venture that the profile of Tesla drivers is also a factor along with those other two brands. I'd be pretty sure that Tesla owners collectively drive more aggressively than the average car on the road. Teslas aren't being driven by soccer moms and careful grandmas.

This runs completely opposite of my observations. Especially with Model Ys, which seem to be driven exclusively by parents. (Call them "soccer moms" if you want.)

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Post by giantg2 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #343
giantg2 wrote: post #265

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It always falls in the middle. There's a reason politicians are known as liars. Of course they won't do everything they claim on the campaign trail.

Politicians bend the truth or promise what they are later unable to deliver (and often had no chance of delivering). But I think Trump usually tries to deliver on whatever he said in the campaign (like in 2016), like you can expect wide reaching tariffs in January or February (especially since half-way competent advisors, congress, and the courts are probably not going to moderate him as much this time). Maybe make a…

That would be pretty ironic if Trump is able to deliver more on his promises than other politicians.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by Andrew6rant »

sombrero_john wrote: post #124
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #106

I remember some car collision data that showed that men were more likely to get into any collision and women were more likely to get into a fatal collision. A comment I read about the study suggested the conclusion that men take more risks while women take bigger risks. It's interesting to think in that context about this. Could Tesla drivers be taking bigger risks because they think the car's software will save them…

> A comment I read about the study suggested the conclusion that men take more risks while women take bigger risks. Or women's weaker musculoskeletal systems provide less protection against blunt force trauma?

Guess what year the NHTSA started using female crash dummies?

2003, thirty years after they started using male crash dummies. And the NHTSA's female dummies were essentially male dummies shrunk to 4'11" and lightened to 97/108lbs.

What year do you think they mandated a crash dummy that was actually based on the female body?

Just guess. I think you might be surprised that they haven't done this yet. It's in the works (see THOR-5F), but it's crazy it's taken so long.

Now guess when they first put the 2003 female crash dummy in the drivers seat for the frontal collision crash test. They still haven't!

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Post by SoftTalker »

buffington wrote: post #334
vikingerik wrote: post #221

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I'd also venture that the profile of Tesla drivers is also a factor along with those other two brands. I'd be pretty sure that Tesla owners collectively drive more aggressively than the average car on the road. Teslas aren't being driven by soccer moms and careful grandmas.

Where I live, I'd estimate that a third of the passenger cars are Teslas. No data to back that up, but that's what I tend to see day to day. The diversity of drivers is significant enough to suggest that "all kinds of people" drive Teslas.

A third? Wow. Where I am they are not exactly rare but uncommon enough that I still notice them when I see them. I see a few a week I'd guess. Pre-pandemic I knew one person who owned a Tesla. And now... I know two people who own a Tesla, but one of them lives in another country.

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Post by noncoml »

noncoml wrote: post #199
notyourwork wrote: post #117

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Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

Can you mention one thing that Trump or Musk ever did out of altruism?

Just adding that Mudk has shown that he is willing to completely ignore ethics and many times (almost?) cross the line of legality too.

Paying people to vote for Trump

Manipulating the stock market

Manipulated the crypto market multiple times

Tried to force Tesla employees to go to work during Covid

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Post by tga_d »

jiggawatts wrote: post #247
IAmNotACellist wrote: post #228

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So the Tesla Model Y has a lower fatal accident rate than sports cars, but they report it as Tesla overall having the highest fatal accident rate? Perhaps that's because _all_ the cars they make are stupid fast and heavy, and they don't offer cars where it's far harder to get into those situations?

I wonder if it’s because there’s more passengers per model Y on average than a two-door sports car! One fatal model Y accident might cause half a dozen gas fatalities, but a Porsche wrapped around a tree might kill just the lone driver.

Both the comment and TFA clearly indicate it's measured in terms of fatal accidents, not fatalities.

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Post by ipaddr »

netsharc wrote: post #354
ipaddr wrote: post #297

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He has respect and years of experience in this field and a strong vision. Your talking points are things we might here on the view.

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Educate yourself before someone else does and sells you short.

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Post by ipaddr »

bilbo0s wrote: post #338
MBCook wrote: post #310

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Doesn’t Fox News routinely get the highest ratings too?

I'm not Nielsen Ratings or anything, but that would be consistent with what I would think. Fox viewers being older, and older being consistent with tv viewers. Younger being consistent with TikTok, YouTube, InstaFaceTwit intake.

Fox has the youngest demo (500,000 for Jessie Watters) and most viewers. At night or during the day. Interesting cnbc has the oldest audience and least. Gutfeld crushes all late night shows (Tonight show, Late Show, Kimmel).

https://www.newsweek.com/chart-shows-network-ratings-2024-el...

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Post by collingreen »

Alupis wrote: post #294
Muromec wrote: post #288

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Why is tiring to hear a minority especially in this forum?

It wouldn't be of it was not just different variations of "Hitler Hitler Hitler, Russia Russia Russia!" We've been hearing how doomed democracy is for the better part of 10 years now. It's really old...

Wait, when you see someone say "department of government efficiency" and mention corruption you hear "hitler hitler hitler"?

Maybe you're just really tired of hearing any criticism of blatant corruption and I'm sorry you're feeling that way. I bet that feels really discouraging and tedious and adversarial.

To me this comment reads as a callout of corruption, not fascism. The hitler criticisms you mentioned, in my experience, have been for things like the maga hats with the nazi font, the republican convention stage in the shape of the SS glyph, and the claim that immigrants are watering down the proper American bloodlines.

To your other request that people stop sharing their concerns: just because a lot of people vote for something doesn't mean it's inherently ethical nor does it mean people should be silenced. My assumption is most people don't want corruption or abuse or racism or fascism; if you think that too then you might have better success helping people understand why they are mistaken about what looks like corruption instead of telling people to just stop sharing opinions you're personally tired of reading.

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