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My Time Working at Stripe

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Re: My Time Working at Stripe

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The bigger lesson is that no company in the world (except maybe your own) should trigger so much emotional involvement from day one. With time you learn to put everything in perspective. I am worried that the author did not learn that lesson in the end since he quit with no job behind, which is not a sign of emotional stability.

Exactly how broke do you think this guy is that taking a career break is a sign of instability?

Re: My Time Working at Stripe

#362
post #92

There's a lot of comments on the "10% more vulnerable" part of the post in here that amount to "I just owe the company work hours, and they owe me money", and a strong aversion to showing anything resembling human connection going slightly further than "how are you", "fine". One commented even called the question by the manager "abuse", and suggested the manager should be fired. But if on most days we're spending mos…

How is being "10% more vulnerable" required for human connection?

Re: My Time Working at Stripe

#364

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Why do you think it could be problematic ?

Future employers may consider your HN history before they hire you, or even fire you if they discovered criticism of past employers.

OP's profile is HN doesn't smile on frequent account cycling, but throwaways for sensitive disclosures are possible.

OP could likely walk from their ID easily should they choose. It would be difficult to tie the account to a specific legal / professional identity, though there are some personal-ish details in their history.

Re: My Time Working at Stripe

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Post: "If you’re comfortable, I’d like us to try and be 10% more vulnerable" This comment: "I'd rather not have my manager forcing me to do group therapy." How did "if you’re comfortable" become "forcing me", and "try and be 10% more vulnerable" become "group therapy"?

I know I won't be able to convince everyone here, but I didn't feel pressured to share anything deeply personal. Some people on the team didn't. They weren't punished or looked down on. We were a tight-knit team before and after that event.

> We were a tight-knit team before

Interesting to know. Seems people who reply here, a bit assume it's a group of competitive coworkers who mostly don't know each other, in a big cut-throat corp?

I'd been ok with that meeting at my first job (together with my closest coworkers only). It'd been weird at my 2nd job though. I guess it depends :-)

Re: My Time Working at Stripe

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I'm glad someone else mentioned this, i think too often engineers think they've done something huge because it was technically challenging but how does any of this impact the business? why would speeding up dashboard builds by 10x matter at all?

Focusing on things often causes you to get worse at them, so businesses intentionally keep most employees away from profit or from thinking about it. In ZIRP land this might be because they're banking tech workers so they won't start their own startup, or in case someone comes up with a better thing for them to do. Instead you do artificial projects and it either impresses people enough to get you a good performance…

This is an interesting idea I haven't heard before. Specifically on "Focusing on things often causes you to get worse at them" are you saying that's due to a Goodhart's law kind of effect?

Having trouble thinking of examples of this from my own experience but they're all mostly social/political (often trying to hard in these realms can be to your detriment)

can you say more? maybe i read to much into a snarky remark but i think your idea is interesting

Re: My Time Working at Stripe

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in my experience stripe's software is great, and their documentation is top notch. What is your problem with the product?

I￶t's not a personal "me or your" problem. It's "macro, structural". Prohibited Businesses￶: By registering for Stripe, you are confirming that you will not use the Service to accept payments in connection with the following businesses, business activities or business practices: (1) door-to-door sales, (2) offering substantial rebates or special incentives to the Cardholder subsequent to the original purchase, (3) ne…

I gotcha, i was speaking from the perspective of "manager of engineering team that has supported many different payment systems, stripe being worlds above the others" context.

As a human who values freedom I agree with your objections 100%. Would be great if payment processors weren't in a position to be moral gatekeepers for the economy

Re: My Time Working at Stripe

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>he asked the team, “for this meeting I’d like us to try and introduce ourselves a little differently. If you’re comfortable, I’d like us to try and be 10% more vulnerable than we normally would in a work setting.” I remember feeling a mix of anxiety and excitement rise in my chest. I sat pondering what I would share. I decided to go for more than 10%. I shared about how my marriage had almost collapsed a couple year…

Post: "If you’re comfortable, I’d like us to try and be 10% more vulnerable" This comment: "I'd rather not have my manager forcing me to do group therapy." How did "if you’re comfortable" become "forcing me", and "try and be 10% more vulnerable" become "group therapy"?

I get an optional ask from a manager is still an ask, but i agree 10% more vulnerable means it's ok to show some weakness like disliking public speaking or imposter symdrome, maybe past/resolved trauma. Strong opposing views seem to focus on sharing big things like a recent miscarriage or drug abuse or depression... That feels inappropriate as way over 10% and indeed should be directed to therapy not a work meeting. also it makes a difference if there are actual mental health benefits associated and manager training to handle things properly (including confidentially) or if it is one "rogue" well meaning manager initiative in a culture where it doesn't fit. Sharing may help or backfire case by case even if the culture is open and supportive. I've seen enough FTEs get more benefits but contractors/contingency staff being let go after coming out with similar mental health issues...

Re: My Time Working at Stripe

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post #251

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I know I won't be able to convince everyone here, but I didn't feel pressured to share anything deeply personal. Some people on the team didn't. They weren't punished or looked down on. We were a tight-knit team before and after that event.

> We were a tight-knit team before Interesting to know. Seems people who reply here, a bit assume it's a group of competitive coworkers who mostly don't know each other, in a big cut-throat corp? I'd been ok with that meeting at my first job (together with my closest coworkers only). It'd been weird at my 2nd job though. I guess it depends :-)

> I'd been ok with

(But it wouldn't have been needed at all, there. I guess that's related to why it would have been ok.)

Re: My Time Working at Stripe

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If you did this in the UK you can be guaranteed a meeting with HR. Absolutely mind blowing.

A meeting with HR too, talk about adding insult to injury

I think they mean that the manager would get to talk to HR
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