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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by gqcwwjtg »

fragmede wrote: post #309
Tanoc wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Savage Geese, The Autopian, The Drive, Road & Track, and Motor Trend all individually reported on some or all of these issues. The tonneau cover leaks became a meme that people reposted on places like TikTok and Instagram. It's not those terminally online, it's that in the first year of the Cybertruck's release a bunch of outlets were documenting it because it brings in readers.

So 5 bits of anecdata, and a unknown number of terminally online TikTok and Instagram addicts, some of whom don't even own one in the first place.

As someone who doesn’t own a car, every single time the cyber truck shows up 50-90% of the info is about these issues. Why would you trust individuals who already bought one more than auto reviewers?

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by otterley »

anonfordays wrote: post #360
otterley wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't call someone here a liar unless you have clear and convincing evidence of it. The OP never said that they laid out cash for these repairs. On a repair invoice, the shop usually lists the cost, then it's paid for by the manufacturer at the bottom. It's all normal accounting for the back office. If you've ever owned a car that had warranty repairs, regardless of make or model, you'd see this.

>Don't call someone here a liar unless you have clear and convincing evidence of it. The post in and of itself is clear and convincing evidence. >On a repair invoice, the shop usually lists the cost, then it's paid for by the manufacturer at the bottom. It's all normal accounting for the back office. If you've ever owned a car that had warranty repairs, regardless of make or model, you'd see this. That's not how any…

> The post in and of itself is clear and convincing evidence.

I'm pretty sure no jury would agree with that.

> That's not how any of this works for Tesla though, there are no "shops" you take it to, only Tesla service centers do warranty work. The prices listed for warranty work are always "$0.00", never listing how much any of it costs.

I admit I'm not a Tesla owner and don't have direct experience, but I do see posts that contradict this assertion:

* https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-service-invoic...

* https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/17wnts6/commen...

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by 39896880 »

vel0city wrote: post #349
bsder wrote: post #114

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WTF is going on with the Chevy EVs? They dropped the Volt which you can only pry out of owners cold, dead hands. They dropped the Bolt EUV which seems to be similarly adored. What dumbass metric is causing these stupid decisions?

> What dumbass metric is causing these stupid decisions? Sales and margin for the most part. The sales part, I imagine it's largely a failure of successfully marketing the vehicles, but I could be wrong. The Volt to me was largely a failure of marketing at the time. Practically no normal people I know have any clue about what the Volt was. I went to a few dealerships to look at one and most salespeople didn't have a…

> The amount of normal people I've heard use Volt/Bolt interchangeably is incredibly high.

Yes, this is / was a real issue and might be the biggest fuck-up for GM. I’m an EV nerd and when I talk about these cars I emphasize the first letter like I’m moderating a spelling bee…

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by mass_and_energy »

bko wrote: post #229
Tanoc wrote: post #104

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The thing is, the people most likely to complain that the Cybertruck is a bad vehicle are the people who are informed about it. The wider public doesn't know about things like the tonneau cover leaking, wheel bearings failing, the suspension being stuck down and causing tire rub, the aerodynamic wheel covers that were causing tire failures because they were puncturing the sidewalls, the upper control arms that bend l…

I think a simpler explanation is that terminally online people just don't like the politics of the CEO and like to take any chance to dunk on him. In a world that has been stagnant for decades in terms of design and doing things out the box, it's something at least trying to be different. Don't get all the hate

I think that no matter who makes an off-road vehicle that rusts when wet, people that are aware of that issue (there's many more, that's just the first one that comes to mind) are going to cast shade on the product.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by anonfordays »

otterley wrote: post #362
anonfordays wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Don't call someone here a liar unless you have clear and convincing evidence of it. The post in and of itself is clear and convincing evidence. >On a repair invoice, the shop usually lists the cost, then it's paid for by the manufacturer at the bottom. It's all normal accounting for the back office. If you've ever owned a car that had warranty repairs, regardless of make or model, you'd see this. That's not how any…

> The post in and of itself is clear and convincing evidence. I'm pretty sure no jury would agree with that. > That's not how any of this works for Tesla though, there are no "shops" you take it to, only Tesla service centers do warranty work. The prices listed for warranty work are always "$0.00", never listing how much any of it costs. I admit I'm not a Tesla owner and don't have direct experience, but I do see pos…

>I'm pretty sure no jury would agree with that.

I'm pretty sure every jury would agree with that.

>I admit I'm not a Tesla owner and don't have direct experience, but I do see posts that contradict this assertion:

Those posts prove my point exactly. One of them literally states:

"Yes, but usually when I sign something for warranty work. The dollar amt on the paper is $0."

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by vel0city »

39896880 wrote: post #363
vel0city wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What dumbass metric is causing these stupid decisions? Sales and margin for the most part. The sales part, I imagine it's largely a failure of successfully marketing the vehicles, but I could be wrong. The Volt to me was largely a failure of marketing at the time. Practically no normal people I know have any clue about what the Volt was. I went to a few dealerships to look at one and most salespeople didn't have a…

> The amount of normal people I've heard use Volt/Bolt interchangeably is incredibly high. Yes, this is / was a real issue and might be the biggest fuck-up for GM. I’m an EV nerd and when I talk about these cars I emphasize the first letter like I’m moderating a spelling bee…

Even then Vo- and Bo- sound a lot alike in a lot of English phonetics when speaking casually. The -lt carries a lot of weight.

I'm waiting for the Colt, the Jolt, the Molt, the Dolt...

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by otterley »

anonfordays wrote: post #365
otterley wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The post in and of itself is clear and convincing evidence. I'm pretty sure no jury would agree with that. > That's not how any of this works for Tesla though, there are no "shops" you take it to, only Tesla service centers do warranty work. The prices listed for warranty work are always "$0.00", never listing how much any of it costs. I admit I'm not a Tesla owner and don't have direct experience, but I do see pos…

>I'm pretty sure no jury would agree with that. I'm pretty sure every jury would agree with that. >I admit I'm not a Tesla owner and don't have direct experience, but I do see posts that contradict this assertion: Those posts prove my point exactly. One of them literally states: "Yes, but usually when I sign something for warranty work. The dollar amt on the paper is $0."

We are in agreement about the bottom line. Again, the poster did not claim they paid out of pocket for any of this work. The experience of whether they're seeing estimated values (even if not paid) seems to vary by customer.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by rangestransform »

RollAHardSix wrote: post #57

My girlfriend owns one so to share our experience, the cybertruck is an unreliable POS. She's had it three, four months now & we have had it in the shop for suspension repair, an ECU computer which fried itself at a charging station (2k), a coolant leak part replacement from the cyberbeast rear engine (1400), the passenger window falling inside the door after the wire used in the gear window retraction snapped or tan…

early production models of any tesla are generally garbage quality, remember the constant issues with S/X panel gaps, model 3 panel gaps, home depot plastic in the model y, etc.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by rangestransform »

caycep wrote: post #15

tbh I continue to say the i3 scale/weight was what mass market EV transportation should have been designed towards (and more efforts focused on public trans than single/small n occupant cars). Societal/environmental cost of 6000-7000 lb behemoths erase any emissions gains from going EV.

personally, I'm more happy that 1000 hp is cheaper than ever before with the model s plaid

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by neuralRiot »

pbronez wrote: post #346
mgrandl wrote: post #129

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I drive an Ioniq 6 and love the design. To each their own…

The Ioniq 6 is SO CLOSE to being beautiful. The concept version was awesome. Somehow the production version got tweaked just enough to break the effect for me. I had no idea that Space Porche and Standard Sedan were so close in my mental space.

For me the first reaction to a design is the one that stays, is very unlikely that it will “grow up” on me afterwards. I don’t know why I despise the cybretruck and I love the Lotus sprit when they’re almost the same lines saving the humongous-ness of the former. Now the interior I hate all teslas, as I see it “minimalism” is an easy exit for lack of creativity.
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