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Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by askonomm »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #360
askonomm wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if construction workers also expect someone to give them free hammers and nails if they want to work on hobby projects. I doubt that. So maybe then software engineers shouldn't be so stuck up about not paying for their tools either?

unless there are competitors who do offer free hammers and nails (the VS Code of construction), I think your analogy fails

That's fine, and yeah, perhaps my analogy isn't the greatest. But if you're ok with the free tools, why complain about the paid ones not being free as well? That's ridiculous to me at least. The paid ones offer value to clearly enough people to still be in business, and if you don't find that value useful to you, then don't .. use it?

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by yungporko »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #52
mattferderer wrote: post #21

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VS Code is really good at certain things but it struggles on larger projects & doesn't have near the advanced features. It's a very good choice though for a lot of projects. It's also a great way to try out C#. It has some amazing extensions for certain tasks too.

VSC feels pretty capable in my books. We have a mono-repo with 100k lines of C# in 8 projects, 40k lines of Vue SFCs in 2 workspaces, 39k lines of TypeScript, 23k lines of Astro. No issues at all running it on a 2021 14" MacBook Pro with only 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD while also running multiple Docker containers for Postgres, Neo4j, Memcached, and LocalStack. My take is that folks should not underestimate VSC; there ar…

my experience last time i tried it on a decent sized blazor project (about a year ago) was countless false errors and broken syntax highlighting to the point that i had to ignore everything and treat it like a dumb text editor like notepad if i wanted to actually get anything done instead of chasing shadows

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by yungporko »

recursive wrote: post #343
andybak wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Visual Studio has better support for C# than Rider, why does Resharper exist? Not trying to start an argument - I've never used Visual Studio with C# (I was a PyCharm user when I started learning Unity so Rider was an obvious choice) but I always assumed that Rider was better - because it was managing to survive as a paid product so it must have had an edge.

> why does Resharper exist? I've wondered this for a long time. Last time I looked at the feature list, it seemed to consist mostly of stuff that was already in VS. The rest was stuff for which I could not fathom any practical utility. Some people love it. When I've asked them why, they mention features that are in VS, but they just didn't know it. So if you figure it out, let me know.

i like resharper just because it has some nice suggestions for cleaning up code that visual studio doesn't have. i probably wouldn't pay for it on its own, but it comes with the package i have for rider so i do use it.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by p0w3n3d »

graypegg wrote: post #235
jchw wrote: post #205

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If you are willing to trust their own documentation, there is documentation about what is sent with anonymous usage statistics in Jetbrains IDEA IDEs: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/settings-usage-statistic... That said, if you mean "checked" as in checking for compliance, I don't think anonymous usage statistics are for that. For that they would need to not be anonymous. If they could identify who was improperl…

If I had to guess, there probably isn’t any direct monitoring of commercial-ness in the IDE, but also guessing there’s Jetbrains employees watching for public statements that mention/screenshot a Jetbrains product and will contact the business if their company is not on file. Only need a few hits to make that worth while.

I have company laptop and wanted to try writing something in rust (I found this on RustRover page) but I believe this violates my company's policies. However TBH I don't believe that if data goes somewhere it cannot be deanonymised. I would be more comfortable with clear license "this is my project, you can see it and I am not using it commercially", but not with "you must allow us to send some anonymous data"

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by sensanaty »

ThrowawayB7 wrote: post #230
p0w3n3d wrote: post #192

Regarding free non-commercial use in Jetbrains you need to accept that you'll get checked (not specified how, but I guess they will scrape your HDD? Or what? It’s also important to note that if you’re using a non-commercial license, you cannot opt out of the collection of anonymous usage statistics. This is similar to our Early Access Program (where statistics is opt-out) and in compliance with our Privacy Policy

It's the dreaded T-word: telemetry. The same sort of thing people get up in arms about in Windows but JetBrains will get a pass here.

I wouldn't trust the psychos at MS to not murder their own families if it padded the bottom like a quarter of a percentage point YoY, you're comparing apples to axe murderers here.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by mattlondon »

mattlondon wrote: post #153

Genuine question with an open mind: why would I use this and not vscode? I know people complain about lag in vscode but I have personally never experienced/noticed any. So with that in mind what does rider give that vscode cannot?

Replying to myself:

Interesting to see so many comments talking about extensions, and how you don't need to install any.

In vscode I only have the remote development extensions installed, and I think those come "built in" anyway. I just use a vanilla clean vscode install and its an absolute pleasure to use.

If extensions (or lack of) are the main reason given for not using vscode, then for me at least as someone who does not use extensions in vscode and just use it "as is", there seems to be no benefit.

I guess this lack of any actual incremental value to the average typical end user of vscode (i.e. someone who can just use vscode as-is without needing to install loads of plugins and customizations...) is why they are now giving rider away for free.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by notpushkin »

Yodel0914 wrote: post #308
n_plus_1_acc wrote: post #240

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As a regulär Jetbrains products user, I was shocked when I first has to use VS. Until today, I haven't figured out how to open a class by name (from any assembly), other than writing they name in code ans strl-clicking it.

Ctrl-T (or depending on your mappings, maybe Ctrl-P). Honestly, you can't blame the IDE for you not spending time working out how to do the basic stuff. Visual Studio has come a long way (I've been using it since the .net 1.1 days). Out of the box, it gives you most of what you got from Resharper 2 years ago. All that said, I switched to Rider a year or so ago and haven't looked back. I used to use VS for C# and VSCo…

> Honestly, you can't blame the IDE for you not spending time working out how to do the basic stuff.

Wasn’t the whole premise of JetBrains making different IDEs for different stacks that you don’t need to learn how to do the basic stuff and can transfer your knowledge from ?

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by aithrowawaycomm »

mattferderer wrote: post #5

As a paying subscriber I love this move for the .NET community. As a .NET dev for many years, I've noticed there have been periods of time where either Visual Studio or Rider was far better than the other. Currently, Rider is much better. Hopefully this encourages more people to try out C# & F#. Both fantastic languages. - Edit - Looks like Webstorm (JS/TS editor) is also free now.

Sadly I cancelled my Rider subscription this year because AFAICT they've stopped supporting F#, it hasn't worked well for at least two years and has only gotten worse: crawling performance, lots of erroneous red squiggles, no IDE support for later .NET features. Maybe Visual Studio is better than it was a few years ago, but these days I just use emacs, and the MS F# team seems to prefer VSC over VS.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by aithrowawaycomm »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #279

Have been using VS Studio for 10+ years and never used Rider. What are the most compelling reasons to switch? I have heard lots of praise but little substance so far. For .NET dev it seems hard for any IDE to rival VS Studio's tight integration with the whole MS + .NET ecosystem.

I am not sure why a C# dev would use Rider other than personal preference. But for a long time Visual Studio was genuinely terrible for F# and Rider was clearly superior: MS seemed to prioritize new features and .NET fads over stability and performance, and F# development had the worst resulting bugs. One of my projects from 2018-2020 couldn't even be opened in Visual Studio without crashing or freezing.

Sadly this has changed: JetBrains does not seem to care very much about F# these days, and Rider has similar bugs to what Visual Studio had in 2016-2020. It is a bad option for F# developers.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by kwanbix »

I have a very good perception of Jetbrains as a brand, even though I have only used YouTrack for some days. What I don't understand is, why do they have so many IDEs instead of a single one? Is it really necesary? Are language writting/editing needs so different? Honest question here.
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