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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by onemoresoop »

Arch485 wrote: post #192

I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

On each side they think the others are the terrorists but the fact is that they're terrorizing each other and have lots of non-military casualties. I think of them as terrorists on both sides.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by tradertef »

kelipso wrote: post #214
Arch485 wrote: post #192

I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

To me it just looks like rhetoric, an us vs. them type deal. Call something terrorism so that you can justify using any kind of violence against them basically.

Completely agree. Similar things are happening in Egypt, Turkey and other places..

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Post by drawkward »

minkles wrote: post #331
drawkward wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try taking the matter into their own hands by bringing the illegal west bank settlers to trial. Tried that yet?

They are dealing with it... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-police-cla...

Not really...

The Unpunished: How Extremists Took Over Israel https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank...

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by Zanfa »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #220
kvgr wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It is terrorism if the attack is planned in such a way, where innocent people will suffer with very high probability and nothing is done to prevent that.

I can’t think of a more targeted attack than through items carried exclusively by combatants. Even an in-person special ops team would likely cause more collateral damage, let alone something like R9X.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by ineedasername »

paulnpace wrote: post #58

I see a lot of comments here that seem to imply there is knowledge that victims were exclusively members of Hezbollah.

I have not seen that implication anywhere and most reporting cites 1 or 2 killed children. On the other hand, 5000 (per reports) of these pagers were purchased by Hezbollah because they were afraid cell phones could be implanted with bombs (there's precedent) and so the users would be predominantly Hezbollah members.

Despite this, there are a few persistent comments here that thousands of civilians were injured. That statement seems near to willfully wrong or intended to be misleading given the circumstances and lack of any more specific information about the people injured.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by ang_cire »

Arch485 wrote: post #192

I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

Terrorism is just a label to describe attacks by people that powerful governments don't like. If you have enough military power, you're a legitimate government conducting a war (even if you're lobbing hundreds of missiles and drones into civilian targets like Russia is). If not, you're a terrorist org or government.

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Post by mig39 »

janmo wrote: post #107

If the mossad was able to plant explosives without being caught, I wouldn't be surprised if they also planted bugs (indiscriminately) in many electronic devices delivered to Lebanon such as TVs, computers, phones etc... Similar to the spy chips implants within the Supermicro server motherboards.

Supermicro never happened. Zero evidence. The reporters and the paper (Bloomberg?) have never retracted it, which is a reflection of their crappy reporting.

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/02/12/bloomberg-big-c...

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Post by rowanseymour »

minkles wrote: post #219
Arch485 wrote: post #192

I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

Considering Hezbollah is a designated terrorist organisation in many countries, this probably should be considered an anti-terrorist operation. The targets are enemy combatants. Also notably, it clearly did not intentionally target civilians, although there may be civilian casualties which is uncharacteristic of a terrorist attack.

I assume by "many countries" you mean the US and its allies? Is that it then? Your definition of "terrorist" is whoever the West designates a terrorist? Ergo Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.

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Post by onemoresoop »

atemerev wrote: post #310
econner wrote: post #262

It makes me wonder how Israel can achieve something like this while simultaneously not being aware of the Oct 7 attacks.

Preparation. Surprise attacks work… once. Then, you have to wait for a few years when the enemy side lowers their readiness again.

It seems like these attacks happened multiple times in succession, a day apart from eachother. Yesterday pagers exploded, today walkie takies and solar panels. What's next to come?

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Post by varjag »

JohnMakin wrote: post #337
nickff wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like the purpose was to disable enemy combatants, and prevent those combatants from striking Israel; which would be a legitimate and targeted strike. Your phrasing makes it seems like the explosives were targeted at damaging the restaurants and stores (along with, perhaps all the occupants), which would not be a legitimate and targeted strike.

My phrasing says exactly what it says - that this was indiscriminate. Do you think the IDF considered whether civilians would be harmed, or have a good possibility of being harmed? Surely blowing up thousands of devices in a major urban area would fall somewhere under this consideration.

There is no law or custom of war that prohibits fighting in urban areas.
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