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Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Cool until you restart your machine.

Do you mean "… and then it's not very cool anymore"? And if so, then why not?

I think they meant that you lose your windows after a reboot, because Firefox only restores one window, compared to all of your groups.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Not many straightforwardly positive comments here so far, so I will write one. I'm a Firefox user but I've recently been tempted by Arc primarily because of its 'workspaces' feature and its minimal UI that gets out the way. I used Arc for several weeks and really got a taste for these features, so I'm really happy to see them come to a Gecko-based browser. Thank you, and keep it up! My advice would be: don't advertis…

Agreed. I work at Mozilla as an engineer for Firefox, and I'm generally happy to see this. I currently work on tab groups, and I'm curious to see what their implementation will look like or whether they'll try to fast-track our work-in-progress once that's somewhat viable. For the sidebar and vertical tabs, they seem to have implemented their own thing rather than using what our team has been working on. At a first g…

Thanks for your replying, it's great to know that you're very open to see what Firefox forks are doing.

And I guess threads like this is a great place to gather user opinions.

I think in this thread, people did talk about Split View a lot (link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41306665), can you talk to the team about this feature ? Considering it's getting a lot of comment, people seem to want it a lot.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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That is a built-in Firefox container feature. Open a website in a container and then click on the container icon (right next to the search bar) to keep that site open in that container. Every other time, that site loads directly into that container

Thats per domain, not on any pattern of URL.

Yep, I think it's called "Containerise" with the British spelling. To make it work you need to remove your existing URL rules from the main container tabs add-on, or they'll fight like cat and dog if there's a conflict.

What's great about regex matching is that you can grab a regex for each of your Google accounts, and bookmark the URL that the regex matches. I've changed the Firefox search bar config to prioritise bookmarks in the results. I can now type 'gmail', and the top two results are:

Gmail (work)

Gmail (personal)

Each opens in opens in the correct container. The trick sometimes is finding a bookmarkable URL with a specific string that you can use in a regex.

To be honest it's one of the features I wish Firefox would add to their add-on because I don't like giving their party add-ons access to my data.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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For the fiscal year 2022 which is the most recent data on Wikipedia, it says that 81% of Mozilla's revenue is from Google (about 480 million) they list 220 million as expenses for software development. If they lost the Google revenue they wouldn't just have to fire "the C suite" but lay off most of their engineers. An independent browser engine is a project with code in the tens of millions of lines, you obviously ne…

Hundreds of developers? It's a large code base, but it doesn't require hundreds of developers working concurrently to keep it up to date. Web standards move fast, but not that fast. Take a look at Ladybird. There's a browser being built from scratch with a small team (less than 10?) If Mozilla fired 90% of it's employees and kept the 10% to actually work on Firefox, it could be a great browser.

Have you taken a look at Firefox's bug bug tracker?[1] Keeping up with Web standards is nothing compared to the tremendous amount of work required to maintain a cross-platform web browser.

[1]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=...

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Or don't waste your time, given Mozilla management does whatever it or Google wants? Just like with Google, nobody works on anything that won't help get them promoted? There are decade-old "everyone agrees this sucks, please fix it" bugs in bugzilla that are ignored because nobody in management or development cares. It's not sexy, can't go on their resume, it won't let them give presentations at conferences, or get t…

76 ideas which were submitted are currently in development and 84 have been delivered. Using your anger/passion to try and sway people to be even less involved doesn't help anyone.

>76 ideas which were submitted are currently in development and 84 have been delivered.

So what? Does it invalidate the critics of glacial speed of making other improvements?

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Native vertical tabs in vanilla FF? Whoohoo! Imho, the killer feature is automatic group assignment based on URL patters. Will the vanilla implementation support it?

We'll at some point support the tabGroups webextension API, so it would be fairly straightforward for add-ons to do that. We're also looking at automatic grouping options though.

Thank you!

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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One thing almost all arc clones dont get right and I talked with other arc users about this is that arc when surfing has no ui besides the border no top bar not tabs you can hide everything if you want to. I downloaded Zen and what do i see a top bar which I can not hide or at least I can not find how to do it.

Activate Compact Mode in the settings.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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> In their own comparison Brave is not even considerd If their target audience is disgruntled Firefox users that makes a ton of sense. I would not consider replacing Firefox with a browser based on Chrome/Chromium. It's not that I think it a bad rendering engine, it not, but I don't like the mono-culture that has been promoted and would like to avoid contributing to it, if I can.

I still don't understand this "browser engine monopoly" argument. Engines are the most difficult part to build and coordinate around. WebKit is open source and gets contributions from across the industry. It would make sense for most people to coalesce around that single target. The browsers built around the engine are the feature-filled interfaces people care about and where competition should happen. The engine has…

> It would make sense for most people to coalesce around that single target

No it wouldn't. Even the OpenSSH project has states that they'd prefer that more SSH implementation where around, due to security concerns. Bugs in OpenSSL where/are a serious issue, because of it was almost a monopoly until HeartBleed.

Having a single rendering engine be 95% of the market is not a good option in terms of overall security for the internet.

The rendering engine in Chrome is Blink, which is a fork of WebKit. Safari, GNOME Web and DuckDuckGos macOS browser still uses WebKit. Blink and WebKit is going to share some of the same issues, as they come from the same codebase, but they are two separate rendering engines at this point.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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For the fiscal year 2022 which is the most recent data on Wikipedia, it says that 81% of Mozilla's revenue is from Google (about 480 million) they list 220 million as expenses for software development. If they lost the Google revenue they wouldn't just have to fire "the C suite" but lay off most of their engineers. An independent browser engine is a project with code in the tens of millions of lines, you obviously ne…

Hundreds of developers? It's a large code base, but it doesn't require hundreds of developers working concurrently to keep it up to date. Web standards move fast, but not that fast. Take a look at Ladybird. There's a browser being built from scratch with a small team (less than 10?) If Mozilla fired 90% of it's employees and kept the 10% to actually work on Firefox, it could be a great browser.

> Take a look at Ladybird. There's a browser being built from scratch with a small team (less than 10?)

Ladybird is so, so far away from being comparable to Firefox. It only supports a fraction of modern websites.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Really cool but so far noone was able to package it for NixOS: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/327982

I wrote a flake based on the binary release while it gets packaged in case you are interested: https://github.com/MarceColl/zen-browser-flake
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