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Re: Susan Wojcicki has died

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Post by pavlov »

philwelch wrote: post #346
pavlov wrote: post #327

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Haven’t heard this conspiracy theory before. So which is it: 1) The mRNA vaccine was rushed out without sufficient clinical trials; 2) The results from the clinical trials were delayed to hurt Trump. You can’t have both you know. So far the far-right argument has been entirely based on scenario 1, but it’s certainly interesting to know that scenario 2 also exists for some people.

Here’s reporting from MIT Technology Review, a bastion of far-right conspiracy theories: https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/19/1010646/campaign... Operation Warp Speed was a signature effort of the Trump administration. As a result, the claim that the vaccine was being “rushed out without sufficient clinical trials” was made by just about all of Trump’s critics.

Nine months from formulating the vaccine to a successful Phase 3 trial is record speed. There’s no way the vaccine was held up to somehow politically hurt the president.

I’m a Trump critic and I was happy with the priority given to Operation Warp Speed. It’s the only thing he did right during the pandemic. But a lot of the MAGA crowd are anti-vaxxers, so he’s been trying to distance himself from the successful vaccine operation.

Re: Susan Wojcicki has died

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Post by mynameisvlad »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #359
mynameisvlad wrote: post #356

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You can’t prove a negative. It’s impossible to prove that something is 100% safe in all possible cases forever and always and will never cause cancer or interact with another drug or cause some unknown rare side effect. It’s impossible to predict every single interaction and edge case. We all know this, it’s basic logic, so I don’t know why I have to repeat it. Furthermore, their claim is not and has never been “This…

Egh… no. They wanted the FDA to put it under NDA for 75 years. Which a judge said was bull. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importanc... https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-... I don’t have to be anti-vax at all (and I’ve got the full regular schedule) to say that’s acting suspicious and like you have something to hide.

> Egh… no. They wanted the FDA to put it under NDA for 75 years. Which a judge said was bull.

Cool, how does that any way shape or form relate to this discussion? Did they make the claim that they are 100% safe and will never cause interactions ever? If so, show me the exact quote where they said that. There are many reasons to ask for an NDA, and lying is only one of them. Hanlon’s razor and all that.

Are the numbers incorrect? That is what actually matters, in the end.

> I don’t have to be anti-vax at all (and I’ve got the full regular schedule) to say that’s acting suspicious and like you have something to hide.

Just because something looks suspicious doesn’t mean that it is. You are choosing to believe that it is, and that is influencing your response.

You still haven’t shown any sort of study or proof that vaccines (or even this vaccine specifically) cause cancer, by the way. If you’re so sure they do, I’m sure there’s something to back that up. After all, Moderna has provided the data to back their own claims up already.

Re: Susan Wojcicki has died

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Post by SoftTalker »

kbolino wrote: post #331
Physkal wrote: post #242

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Why not just use an ad blocker?

I'd rather move towards a web (largely) without ads than continue to be the product sold to advertisers rather than the consumer served by the platform. The constant escalation of the ad blocker-ad server war has also contributed greatly to ballooning complexity in all sorts of technologies. I hope YT Premium is a step in that direction, but only time will tell.

Well you are both the customer and the product with YT Premium. Yeah you don't see ads, but they are still tracking everything you watch and using that to deliver targeted ads to you on other platforms.

Re: Susan Wojcicki has died

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #359
mynameisvlad wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t prove a negative. It’s impossible to prove that something is 100% safe in all possible cases forever and always and will never cause cancer or interact with another drug or cause some unknown rare side effect. It’s impossible to predict every single interaction and edge case. We all know this, it’s basic logic, so I don’t know why I have to repeat it. Furthermore, their claim is not and has never been “This…

Egh… no. They wanted the FDA to put it under NDA for 75 years. Which a judge said was bull. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importanc... https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-... I don’t have to be anti-vax at all (and I’ve got the full regular schedule) to say that’s acting suspicious and like you have something to hide.

Nowhere does it say "NDA" in the articles you posted. That year number is derived from the number of pages the FDA can produce a month with current staffing levels, as funded by the federal government. If you wan the FDA to become more efficient, maybe we should lobby the federal government to provide more funding so it can act quicker.

Re: Susan Wojcicki has died

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Post by cityofdelusion »

lasc4r wrote: post #358
tourmalinetaco wrote: post #336

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Your idea of fascism must be rather tame, considering YouTube’s active censorship of anything even slightly right-of-center.

It hardly needs to be violently racist or whatever conception you have in your mind to be fascist propaganda. Rather the opposite if you take a minute to consider what makes for effective propaganda.

The word fascism needs to stop being tossed around so carelessly. Words ought to be precise and meaningful.

Re: Susan Wojcicki has died

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Post by meiraleal »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #337
quonn wrote: post #220

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The point doesn‘t stand, because you made a claim about what people supposedly said or didn’t say after Chomsky passed away. And he didn‘t even pass.

This is pedantry at its finest. You can remove the name and still have a point left there. Just pretend the comment only said Kissinger, it’s really not that hard.

Honestly if you are 50% wrong about a point you are trying to make that doesn't look great.

Re: Susan Wojcicki has died

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #364
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Egh… no. They wanted the FDA to put it under NDA for 75 years. Which a judge said was bull. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importanc... https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-... I don’t have to be anti-vax at all (and I’ve got the full regular schedule) to say that’s acting suspicious and like you have something to hide.

Nowhere does it say "NDA" in the articles you posted. That year number is derived from the number of pages the FDA can produce a month with current staffing levels, as funded by the federal government. If you wan the FDA to become more efficient, maybe we should lobby the federal government to provide more funding so it can act quicker.

As though Pfizer didn’t have quite a few of the documents already and could have released them themselves…

And as though $7.2 billion a year isn’t enough to get the job done.

Re: Susan Wojcicki has died

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Post by wslh »

strikelaserclaw wrote: post #357
wslh wrote: post #319

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I know many cases of no wealth, no connections, South American(s) and success. You should deep dive in hard work that helps the well prepared. Also culture plays. The world is not static. It sounds resentment to not follow the thread and argue more sustanciously.

I'm not saying people without any background or connections can't be successful. I'm saying that it is like winning a lottery to be even born to parents who even read books about how to make their kids successful. With that kind of parental dedication, i have no doubt that their kids would be successful even without reading the book above. Lets look at the timeline : 1. Be born to a stanford physics professor and his…

Your comment sounds like resentment in the context of this post. I have seen many people rising with few chances at born and the context changes depending the country and culture you have. For example, you don't need to pay tuition if you live in a country with free universities and great schools.

I don't know you but it sounds like you are not thinking about that kind of countries.

You edited your message and added a timeline, there are more people stucked before your "pivot" moment. I know a lot of those too.

Re: Susan Wojcicki has died

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Post by [deleted] »

lasc4r wrote: post #358
tourmalinetaco wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your idea of fascism must be rather tame, considering YouTube’s active censorship of anything even slightly right-of-center.

It hardly needs to be violently racist or whatever conception you have in your mind to be fascist propaganda. Rather the opposite if you take a minute to consider what makes for effective propaganda.

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