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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by tn135 »

dogleash wrote: post #116
popcalc wrote: post #5

# Welcome to Reddit's robots.txt # Reddit believes in an open internet, but not the misuse of public content. # See https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/26410290525844-Public-Content-Policy Reddit's Public Content Policy for access and use restrictions to Reddit content. # See https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit4researchers/ for details on how Reddit continues to support research and non-commercial use. # pol…

> # Reddit believes in an open internet, but not the misuse of public content. Calling it "public" content in the very act of exercising their ownership over it. The balls on whoever wrote that.

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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

topaz0 wrote: post #176
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> did not read on and learn about other search engines crawling beyond GBY. Still there are indeed very few that are crawling at web scale, and internationally That's helpful clarification. In criticism of the article, you might agree that none of them have their own results is a fairly absolute statement. It signals: Final word on the matter; no nuance to follow.

Omitting the "almost" from "almost none" makes it sound disingenuously more absolute than it actually is.

> Omitting the "almost" from "almost none" makes it sound disingenuously more absolute than it actually is.

Except that isn't what happened. Within the context, 'almost none' referred to size of the group, not to the amount of crawling.

I was discussing how much crawling is being done - outside of the 'almost none' sized group.

The 'almost none' sized group has 'their own results', so they do crawl. Based on that, the rest do not. Ergo, they do not crawl.

A search engine that never crawls seems non-intuitive.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by elashri »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #360
elashri wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pinterest serves pages in many domains (different TLDs). It is better to use a regex to block them.

I would if Kagi could. I blocked them all manually.

Kagi doesn't provide it natively because of performance issues. They contributed to ublacklist to add kagi search. You can use it with regex and matching rules

> If you need advanced blocking features, such as specifying rules by match patterns (e.g., ://.example.com/*) or by regular expressions (e.g., /example\.(net|org)/), the uBlacklist browser extension includes support for Kagi Search.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/website-info-personalize...

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #279

"If you use Bing, DuckDuckGo, Mojeek, Qwant or any other alternative search engine that doesn't rely on Google's indexing and search Reddit by using "site:reddit.com," you will not see any results from the last week." The veracity of this statement is questionable. I found at least four web search engines not using Google's index that produced results from the last week. Example: Recent eruption at Yellowstone Black…

"Its search engine uses Microsoft's Bing's technology, with whom it has a long-term arrangement."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53922786

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by try_the_bass »

Newlaptop wrote: post #296
try_the_bass wrote: post #250

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And yet "free market forces" are often the reason why monopolies and oligopolies arise...? Monopolies are entirely consistent with free market economics. After all, if there's clearly a "best product" for a particular niche, it's entirely rational (free market actor) behavior for everyone to use the same product, leading to its monopoly in that market segment. I don't understand why people think this isn't/won't be/s…

> Monopolies are entirely consistent with free market economics Not in the least. Literally in the first semester, Economics 101 type class that any business/economics/etc student would take, it would be covered clearly that monopolies are violations of free markets. A free market isn't a euphemism for anarchy or "no rules", it's a specific economic term. The things it is free of include artificial price floors or ce…

Economics 101 also assumes perfect information symmetry, perfect competition, and spherical cows. In other words, it only vaguely models reality... Good enough to teach the basic concepts, but without diving in the nuance that makes the basic models break down.

If one competitor is far enough ahead of the rest, they can maintain that lead given that they can extract sufficient momentum from their early mover advantage. If they keep this up long enough, competitors never reach the scale to sufficiently prevent them from becoming a monopoly (at least over their local market segment).

None of this requires anti-competitive behavior; simply good execution on the part of the leader.

Unless, of course, you're suggesting that "free markets" also involve government intervention to suppress their lead in the market...

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by pas »

throwaway290 wrote: post #358
pas wrote: post #357

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Social support (or we can even call it "[corporate] social responsibility") is a political question/problem/thing. Endless iterations of the discussion about how copyright should/shouldn't be are meaningless without considering the larger social context. The vast majority of creators (artists!?) are not compensated at all, and the users' (content consumers'? the public's?) attention is already 100% fully saturated. S…

> Users benefit from cheaper access to customized content. (In other words, arguably it's a net positive thing that they can - for example - ask some GenAI tool to make them a nice picture for their friend's birthday.) very arguably yeah. we evolve to where we push a button and get a birthday present. the logical conclusion is a system that does not even require to push a button. this is the opposite of the original…

I like this example because I tried making a greeting card "by hand" and it of course sucked ass. (As I have zero idea how to use Photoshop despite religiously reading the tutorials 20 years ago on a community site :D And, of course, I used PhotoPea.)

So by spending the same 20 minutes fiddling with some kind of graphics if the outcome becomes 10x better then I see that as an advantage. (That said I haven't tried this.)

Basically this is "exactly" that kind of capability that we already seen in "artist paints kid's drawing" [0] just commoditized. And this is where I (as a user) would be looking for the style transfer. Because I saw something famous/trendy/fancy/aesthetically-pleasing and now want to imitate it as a gag for this hypothetical birthday card. (Sure, copyright already doesn't care if I download someone's famous photo, and cut my friends head out from a photo I made, and put the head part on the copyrighted photo. Yet it was a straightforward derivative work. Just it's not commercial, damages are none, or even negative, ie. the artist benefits from that famous exposure! :D)

> legit benefits of this tech

I wanted to try to find an example that could apply to a lot of users. Because as awesome as using GenAI to generate Lean proofs (and then add a feedback loop by actually running the generated code through Lean) to solve Math Olympiad problems [1], it's not really an everyday thing.

> we evolve to where we push a button and get a birthday present. the logical conclusion is a system that does not even require to push a button.

Well, maybe! In no time we'll board the Axios and just chill. [2] But at the same time crafts and DIY and experiences (tourism, festivals, concerts) are ridiculously popular. (And it has its own problems. [3])

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB-Q0eNsUaQ KID'S ART Redrawn by a PROFESSIONAL ARTIST! - Ep.6

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41069829

[2] https://www.thelist.com/img/gallery/things-only-adults-notic...

[3] https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/08/travel/barcelona-tourism-...

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by throwaway290 »

pas wrote: post #368
throwaway290 wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Users benefit from cheaper access to customized content. (In other words, arguably it's a net positive thing that they can - for example - ask some GenAI tool to make them a nice picture for their friend's birthday.) very arguably yeah. we evolve to where we push a button and get a birthday present. the logical conclusion is a system that does not even require to push a button. this is the opposite of the original…

I like this example because I tried making a greeting card "by hand" and it of course sucked ass. (As I have zero idea how to use Photoshop despite religiously reading the tutorials 20 years ago on a community site :D And, of course, I used PhotoPea.) So by spending the same 20 minutes fiddling with some kind of graphics if the outcome becomes 10x better then I see that as an advantage. (That said I haven't tried thi…

> Well, maybe! In no time we'll board the Axios and just chill.

This was sarcasm. That system would never happen. If birthday card requires no effort it is worse than nothing, literal noise.

> So by spending the same 20 minutes fiddling with some kind of graphics if the outcome becomes 10x better then I see that as an advantage. (That said I haven't tried this.)

Feels like you misunderstood. It is not "10x better" or "advantage" because literally the easier it was for you the less it is valuable.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

elashri wrote: post #365
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would if Kagi could. I blocked them all manually.

Kagi doesn't provide it natively because of performance issues. They contributed to ublacklist to add kagi search. You can use it with regex and matching rules > If you need advanced blocking features, such as specifying rules by match patterns (e.g., :// .example.com/*) or by regular expressions (e.g., /example\.(net|org)/), the uBlacklist browser extension includes support for Kagi Search. https://help.kagi.com/kag…

That's interesting. I'll dig it up. Thank you.
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