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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by hackinthebochs »

labrador wrote: post #332
hackinthebochs wrote: post #295

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How many unskilled laborers do we need to accept to get one future Einstein? The ratio matters. >Making to the United States is quite a test of endurance, flexability and competance so people who pass that filter are quite likely to be intelligent I doubt this is true in cases where you can literally just walk across the border.

I doubt you have many Mexican locals living next the the border literally walk across the border and then travel to the interior of the country. Most of them are from far away places and endure quite a challenging journey to get here. I live in San Jose in a neighborhood with many older Vietnamese boat people. Columbians have been moving in. There isn't an easy way to get from Columbia to Mexico by walking. Crossing…

Yes, the trek is hard for many. But physically hard doesn't imply cognitively hard or selective for cognitive traits. These paths are well trodden and the difficulty is purely physical.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by krapp »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #353
krapp wrote: post #296

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>What if some highly intelligent immigrants oppose American values? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. They may use their capital and ability to politically undermine our civil liberties. That should be perfectly acceptable and within the bounds of free speech in a democratic society. It's up to you to counter "bad speech" with other speech in the marketplace of ideas. At least that's what I'm told when I complain ab…

You inserted their speech where I said "capital and ability". Because you support undermining those rights so you play semantic games. I mean this sincerely, isn't the debate irrelevant? You either support those civil rights or oppose them. I don't want to put words in your mouth but I assume you oppose 1A and 2A. Why not just say it? We wouldn't have to waste time discussing ancillary nonsense.

>You inserted their speech where I said "capital and ability". Because you support undermining those rights so you play semantic games.

I never said I supported undermining any particular rights. The phrase "use their capital and ability to politically undermine our civil liberties" implies engagement in the political process, which implies free speech, which (notwithstanding your semantic games) is already established as legitimate.

>I don't want to put words in your mouth

Yes you do, your comment here does so numerous times. So feel free to argue with the strawman, I'm out.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by zozbot234 »

noduerme wrote: post #322
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

Jews only got full citizenship rights in many European countries after the Enlightenment and in many ways their assimilation was absolutely a success, despite an enduring legacy of anti-Semitism (which was shown e.g. by the Dreyfus affair in France, not merely in places with a lengthy history of social authoritarianism and anti-Enlightenment values such as pre-1945 Germany). This, if anything, is proof that successful social integration can in fact be achieved in Europe - that "ethnic character" is not fixed in stone and can shift in response to incentives, at least over multi-generational timescales.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by giancarlostoro »

vundercind wrote: post #119
bee_rider wrote: post #84

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Florida was relevant in US elections. When was the last time it was up for grabs? It is actually interesting, a state converting to single-party rule significantly reduces the electoral leverage it has.

Obama did start warming relations, probably due to that shift. Trump reversed it. I expect it’ll continue to, at best, see-saw until Republicans are comfortable enough with their advantage in Florida to ignore the Cuban vote.

It was reversed since it was a campaign promise. The idea was that all that money from tourism was only helping the Castro regime. A sentiment I'm sure most Cubans are not happy about.

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

gottorf wrote: post #201
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

Australia has a large number of ethnic groups, media and the far right claims similar issues.

Using statistics on the background of prisoners, in Australia, most non-white ethnic groups have lower representation in prison compared to their percentage of the population when compared to white Australians.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by goatlover »

noduerme wrote: post #322
gottorf wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

That’s only part of the problem. The other part is the incompatible religious values of the immigrants. Not all of course. But at least enough to cause conflict with western liberal values.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by hnpolicestate »

krapp wrote: post #362
hnpolicestate wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You inserted their speech where I said "capital and ability". Because you support undermining those rights so you play semantic games. I mean this sincerely, isn't the debate irrelevant? You either support those civil rights or oppose them. I don't want to put words in your mouth but I assume you oppose 1A and 2A. Why not just say it? We wouldn't have to waste time discussing ancillary nonsense.

>You inserted their speech where I said "capital and ability". Because you support undermining those rights so you play semantic games. I never said I supported undermining any particular rights. The phrase "use their capital and ability to politically undermine our civil liberties" implies engagement in the political process, which implies free speech, which (notwithstanding your semantic games) is already establish…

Okay, sorry.

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Post by golergka »

noduerme wrote: post #322
gottorf wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

> You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault?

Which Jews? Ultraorthodox don't integrate very well in Israel, for instance.

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Post by lmz »

harimau777 wrote: post #314
lmz wrote: post #304

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The great replacement theory requires there to be a conspiracy (i.e. a desire to replace white people for some nefarious reason). It also requires there to be replacement. I.e. an attempt to somehow remove white people. What the parent seems to be suggesting appears to be more akin to cultural exchange and/or the traditional idea of America as a "melting pot".

"The mix is always better" implies replacing the existing mix, white or otherwise.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by fragmede »

PentiumBug wrote: post #290

As a Cuban that is currently living in Cuba, I think it might be useful to voice my opinions, as I have read some comments here which I consider less than accurate in some respects. To avoid typing too much, I'll summarize with... bullet points? * The published figure of 10 million people is already outdated. First, they are official figures, which means that they are not telling the truth. Second, six months have el…

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