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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by zamadatix »

augustohp wrote: post #243
zamadatix wrote: post #180

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For every couple year major versions (with decently advanced notice it's coming and/or a recency allowance) I think it's fair to charge anew but for minor improvements over the lifecycle of a major version I think it's fair to want to buy everything that will come in the major version up front if you're making a one time purchase. Tons of software is this way from Sublime to Windows to ZBrush to an absolute crapload…

They do something which is "common" in Apple-land (Dash for MacOS does this, a Twitter client did this as well, over and over): They get the same app, add some features, call it v2, launch as a new app and remove v1 from the store. They don't "give" you the new version. They take away the app you paid "once", and provide you with a version with an expire date. So you have no choice. You either pay them, again, or los…

This claim doesn't quite line up with posts like https://old.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/xjdjzu/halide_updat... or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40522988 or the developers own claims of not taking it away in this thread here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40517732

That is "forever updates" = no but "take away what you had" also = no. It was a period of updates with a dropoff date of where you left off. This lines up with my expectations of a one time purchase in that I'm not expecting 50 years of feature updates when buying software just because they haven't went out of business yet I'm just expecting I keep the feature access I have at the end, which is what these posts from many different folks are all claiming.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by th0ma5 »

dylan604 wrote: post #356
th0ma5 wrote: post #346

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I know it's not just lookup tables. I'm waiting for you to talk about something other than that lol I think the real reason why everyone including all of your cohorts behave like this is because when you press people they realize that they don't have a good way to explain it. It's a very fickle and varied thing per project and if you dig into any one example, it seems really silly and that brings out artists insecuri…

What more could you possibly need me to explain? I've provided much more detail than a lot of the YT tutorials of saying download my LUT. I've described recognizing that as the signal was pushed to the max the color changed from white to magenta and the actual cause coming from a bad sensor in a camera not delivering enough data in the green channel which required using the grading software to isolate and push the gr…

I really reread this all earnestly, and I guess all I see is tactics and no strategy discussion. I understand that to ... Change the color of an image you have to adjust that color, or that if there is a cast or shadow of an unwanted color that ... One thing a video tool does is adjust color. But why or what next? Who knows. You gave it to a colorist. I've tried to repeatedly point out you keep shitting on LUTs as if that isn't what anyone can say as a secret word to bitch about to get into the secret pro chat room. I get it. But if you don't know of any theory materials or why any of this all is done then I don't know why you continue to comment. Photoshop is a very old tool, but I don't know why doing basic image adjustments should impress me, unless that's your point here, that it all might as well just be applying a simple curve and calling it day but you seem to also be upset with people that reduce the work to that so it is indeed very confusing. If you don't know how to teach a craft you claim to know then do you really know it?

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by kernal »

IshKebab wrote: post #354
kernal wrote: post #338

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Your concept of Android development looks to be stuck in the 4.4 days. Jetpack Compose and its declarative UI is how modern Android apps are developed. https://github.com/android/compose-samples >Hopefully Flutter will fix that because the difference in usability is night and day. It's just a shame the Dart ecosystem is so dead. I don't see how the difference is night and day when they both use declarative UI's. Whet…

> Jetpack Compose and its declarative UI is how modern Android apps are developed. [citation needed]. I looked into Jetpack Compose a year or two ago and it was way too immature then to use in production. I guess maybe that's improved a bit but we're talking about existing apps here. They don't magically move to Jetpack Compose. Someone has to update them. How much would you bet that MotionCam Pro uses Jetpack Compos…

>Jetpack Compose is Android’s recommended modern toolkit for building native UI. It simplifies and accelerates UI development on Android. Quickly bring your app to life with less code, powerful tools, and intuitive Kotlin APIs.

https://developer.android.com/develop/ui/compose

Calling Jetpack Compose immature is amusing considering all of the apps that have been built with it. Additionally, it's been one of the primary pillars of Google I/O for the past 5 years.

>I guess maybe that's improved a bit but we're talking about existing apps here. They don't magically move to Jetpack Compose.

You don't need to. With Jetpack Compose there's no need to completely rewrite your entire UI. If you want to convert an old UI to Jetpack Compose you can gradually update parts of it and have both co-exist.

>How much would you bet that MotionCam Pro uses Jetpack Compose?

Judging from the UI I don't see any Jetpack Compose UI elements.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by kernal »

zer0zzz wrote: post #358
kernal wrote: post #345

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Statistics don't tell the complete story. A large portion of that 70% is from developing countries that cannot afford to purchase apps, let alone purchase an iPhone. A fair comparison would be the US, where iOS and Android are fairly even.

Even if that were true, if you had to choose one platform to serve in NA you’re better off selling to iOS users because they make up a majority of North American mobile phone users.

It depends on the functionality of the app. I'd choose Flutter so that I could port to multiple platforms with one code base. But, if it was a camera app like Kino then, of course, I would pick 1 platform.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by michelb »

hbn wrote: post #325
rtkwe wrote: post #322

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Low ranking even on an exact title match though is pretty bad.

It's a 4 letter word, commonly used in internet slang to refer to a good film. I saw the announcement pretty early on and when I started typing in "kino" into the App Store search, the first autocomplete suggestion was the rest of the app's title in the listing "- pro video camera", and if I clicked that one it showed the app first (well, first result after an ad)

If I search for an app called Kino, I expect to find an app called Kino if there is one. Not scammy ads or other apps.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by theshrike79 »

RowanH wrote: post #343
yard2010 wrote: post #274

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Can you please give an example please as I never heard of this bs in my whole life

30+ years in the software industry. Everyone did this back in the day - then it changed for 3 reasons (1) completely unsustainable (2) people didn't upgrade, or being forced to upgrade and pay large prices got grumpy about it. (3) the money people figured out subscriptions were more profitable. There's tonnes of companies that have legacy 'pay upfront' models, that hit the wall as they'd saturated their markets, then…

> (3) the money people figured out subscriptions were more profitable.

Subscriptions bring in steady money that allows for better forecasting and resourcing.

Releasing a Very Big Paid Update every year or two years brings in an unknown lump sum of money with a tail end that might or might not be enough.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by theshrike79 »

wraptile wrote: post #245
wilg wrote: post #238

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Hell hath no fury like an Android user spurned.

Nah all software should be multi platform if possible. Locking programs in to some specific brand is just silly and you don't even need to be a open software extremist to acknowledge that. Also not mentioning the platform anywhere in the title or even article body itself is inheritly deceiving.

This isn't multi platform for a reason: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40525040

They're having issues with even the iPhone's variance in APIs they need.

I can't imagine how bad it'd be if they had to support all the different Android hardware and OS version combinations.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by sandofsky »

z5h wrote: post #26

As a long time amateur photographer (using physical cameras and lenses), I have Halide (by the same company) on my iOS home screen for when I need to take a real phono on my iPhone. I use it all the time without issue. And would recommend it to any photographer. So I paid for Kino without hesitation. Just fired it up, set BNW grade, pressed record, and it immediately crashed. Tried again and it crashed again. Tried A…

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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by Breza »

runako wrote: post #153
baby wrote: post #110

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I just looked at two pomodoro apps on the app store, one had a one-time purchase fee, the other had a subscription only model. It's a freaking pomodoro app! I can't believe I have to pay for that in the first place (why doesn't the countdown app of Apple not have a widget =.=) but a subscription? People are greedy af.

> People are greedy af. Putting on my Older Person hat for a moment, software from indie publishers used to cost in the ballpark of $40 in the late 1980s (that's ~$100 in 2024 dollars after adjusting for inflation). $100 for a single version of a single app. When the next point release comes out, the publisher might give you a discount of 50%, so it might only cost you $50. A major release was often required for comp…

Apps at the scale of what GP describes were often freeware with no ads or tracking back in the day. I remember when PC Magazine would send a CD-ROM full of utilities like that with the latest issue (not strictly free but I was already subscribing). Or when I would search download.com for the specific tool I needed. I even made a free tool for timing debate tournaments in high school, which was similarly complex to the timer you need to subscribe to in the app store.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by Breza »

ricardobeat wrote: post #186
gdubs wrote: post #174

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People are so used to the zero interest rate period of tech that everyone expects the pricing model of VC backed startups that can burn money forever and maybe figure out a business model at some point. Software costs time and money. People complain that they don't want the same uninspired corporate created junk – and then they balk at paying indie developers a reasonable amount for apps. So much work goes into this…

I’m not sure what your point was. Is this in defense or against IaP? Most people don’t balk at paying fair prices for an app, but the definition has drifted so far that €7/month (€84/year) is described as “fair” for a simple timer, and that is plain absurd. Halide goes for €69 one-time purchase, or €12,50/year. For professional software that is really well designed and is actually kept up to date. This should be the…

I totally agree with you. I don't mind paying for creative devs to build awesome software. I do mind cash grabs. Mobile gaming is the most frustrating category. It's sad that pay-once-no-ads games like Crashlands and 80 Days are the exception. Enterprise software is a close second, but I'm not paying those bills out of my own pocket.
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