OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

Post by TeMPOraL » Sat, May 18, 2024, 5:26 AM UTC

romwell wrote: post #337

TeMPOraL wrote: post #332

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Clever, but no. The argument about LLMs not being copyright laundromats making sense hinges the scale and non-specificity of training. There's a difference between "LLM reproduced this piece of copyrighted work because it memorized it from being fed literally half the internet ", vs. "LLM was intentionally trained to specifically reproduce variants of this particular work". Whatever one's stances on the former case,…

Cool, just feed the ChatGPT+ the same half the Internet plus OpenAI founders' anecdotes about the company. Ta-da.

Post by orlandrescu » Sat, May 18, 2024, 5:27 AM UTC

smt88 wrote: post #333

throwaway598 wrote: post #250

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That OpenAI are institutionally unethical. That such a young company can be become rotten so quickly can only be due to leadership instruction or leadership failure.

Look at Sam Altman's career and tweets. He's a clown at best, and at worst he's a manipulative crook who only cares about his own enrichment and uses pro-social ideas to give himself a veneer of trustworthiness.

Post by visarga » Sat, May 18, 2024, 5:28 AM UTC

mwigdahl wrote: post #290

The best approach to circumventing the nondisclosure agreement is for the affected employees to get together, write out everything they want to say about OpenAI, train an LLM on that text, and then release it. Based on these companies' arguments that copyrighted material is not actually reproduced by these models, and that any seemingly-infringing use is the responsibility of the user of the model rather than those w…

Post by mvdtnz » Sat, May 18, 2024, 5:29 AM UTC

romwell wrote: post #345

mvdtnz wrote: post #319

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How do you know there isn't a very clear term in the employment agreement stating that upon termination you'll be asked to sign an NDA on these terms?

Unless the terms of the NDA are provided upfront, that sounds sketch AF. "I agree to follow unspecified terms in perpetuity, or return the pay I already earned" doesn't vibe with labor laws. And if those NDA terms were already in the contract, there would be no need to sign them upon exit.

Post by TeMPOraL » Sat, May 18, 2024, 5:30 AM UTC

makeitdouble wrote: post #359

TeMPOraL wrote: post #332

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Clever, but no. The argument about LLMs not being copyright laundromats making sense hinges the scale and non-specificity of training. There's a difference between "LLM reproduced this piece of copyrighted work because it memorized it from being fed literally half the internet ", vs. "LLM was intentionally trained to specifically reproduce variants of this particular work". Whatever one's stances on the former case,…

My take away is that we should talk about our experience in companies at a large enough scale that it becomes non specific in principle, and not targeted at a single company. Basically, we need our open source version of Glassdoor as a LLM ?