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Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by FuckButtons »

refulgentis wrote: post #306
sailfast wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say I'm a bit surprised "gardening leave" is not more of a norm in tech like it is in investment banking or finance.

Big Tech wasn't what I expected, it seems there's almost a forced perspective that individuals don't make a difference (they do)

One of the inputs into any business is labor, if labor is replaceable then business can function much more cost efficiently, since market forces on a replaceable commodity will reduce its cost. So, big tech acts as though labor is replaceable, because it’s in its economic interest to have that be true, hence the desire for standardization, procedure and systematization of labor, if an individuals output is not unique, they can be replaced, and if they are a replaceable commodity, then market forces will reduce their costs.

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Post by zoogeny »

Interesting, both Karpathy and Sutskever are gone from OpenAI now. Looks like it is now the Sam Altman and Greg Brockman show.

I have to admit, of the four, Karpathy and Sutskever were the two I was most impressed with. I hope he goes on to do something great.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by surfingdino »

dcchambers wrote: post #275
chasd00 wrote: post #245

I wonder if he thinks LLMs are an AGI dead end and he's not interested in selling a product. There's some academic papers floating around coming to the same conclusion (no links. sorry, studying for a cert exam).

That's been my assumption since the beginning of this drama last year. He seems to have one goal: real AGI. He knows that while LLMs may make something that seems like AGI there's nothing actually intelligent about it and its never going to get them there. OpenAI wants to pivot and sell sell sell because all they see is potential trillions of dollars, and it's time to make money instead of burning more millions/billi…

> it's time to make money instead of burning more millions/billions chasing a dream.

The investors want their money before people realise they have been oversold the dream/threat of AGI.

> Yet all the AI weirdos on Twitter seem convinced that Ilya "saw something" (AGI) and got scared and wanted to pull the plug...lmao.

The market to believe in made-up stories is alaways strong.

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Post by rakejake »

seydor wrote: post #337
rakejake wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling Apple will make a play for him. Apple is considered to be seriously lagging behind in ML. Just his name alone is probably enough for the time being - They can give him his own lab to do whatever he wants. Ilya will attract enough talent, at least some of whom will be willing to take up responsibility over commercial stuff in the coming years.

I have a feeling he would like to publish some stuff, and apple doesnt do that

Ilya is very much in favor of closed source AI albeit for different reasons. I don't see a problem here.

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Post by snowbyte »

When walking around the U of Toronto, I often think that ~10 years ago Ilya was in a lab next to Alex trying to figure things out. I can't believe this new AI wave started there. Ilya, Karpathy, Jimmy Ba, and many more were at the right time when Hinton was there too.

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Post by izend »

snowbyte wrote: post #365

When walking around the U of Toronto, I often think that ~10 years ago Ilya was in a lab next to Alex trying to figure things out. I can't believe this new AI wave started there. Ilya, Karpathy, Jimmy Ba, and many more were at the right time when Hinton was there too.

And none of them build AI companies in Toronto.

I’m Canadian and disappointed at how ineffective we are at building successful companies.

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Post by nothrowaways »

reducesuffering wrote: post #278
ignoramous wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon Musk and Larry Page broke their friendship over Ilya's move from Google to OpenAI. There's more than just cult around a personality here, when two of the most powerful people in tech, who are also friends, go to war over you.

I don't believe it was that. I thought Elon most recently said it was Page calling Elon a "speciesist" when Elon cared that humans need to still exist, while Page is of the e/acc bit that AI's are our successors and the most competitive between them and us should go on.

That is one side of the story.
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