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Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by [deleted] »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #247
eganist wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You expect Google to scan the database of companies in every country continuously to see if employees are executives of them? How would this handle different people who have the same name? > Disclosure: I work at Google. It's Google. Not a mom and pop shop, not a startup, not even a large bank. It's a massive conglomerate who's entire business model revolves around data. So yes. And same-name conflicts can be handl…

And how are they going to access Chinese databases that they are not allowed to access? It's Google, not the CIA. I wouldn't be surprised if all of that information was covered under China's broad state secrets law.

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Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by mvdtnz »

prepend wrote: post #357

It’s interesting to me that google doesn’t do a security clearance review on its engineers. I’ve had a security clearance in the past and there’s no way a foreign national passes. I got questioned significantly about a family member who was a citizen of another country. I wonder if it’s just a matter of time.

Is it your contention that Google should never hire anyone born outside of USA or without USA citizenship? Do you realise how much of their workforce that would preclude?

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by shagie »

prepend wrote: post #357

It’s interesting to me that google doesn’t do a security clearance review on its engineers. I’ve had a security clearance in the past and there’s no way a foreign national passes. I got questioned significantly about a family member who was a citizen of another country. I wonder if it’s just a matter of time.

> Within weeks of the theft starting, prosecutors say, Ding was offered the position of chief technology officer at an early-stage technology company in China that touted its use of AI technology and that offered him a monthly salary of about $14,800, plus an annual bonus and company stock. The indictment says Ding traveled to China and participated in investor meetings at the company and sought to raise capital for it.

> He also separately founded and served as chief executive of a China-based startup company that aspired to train “large AI models powered by supercomputing chips,” the indictment said.

> Prosecutors say Ding did not disclose either affiliation to Google, which described him Wednesday as a junior employee.

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They likely did... he did these things after joining Google as a junior employee.

https://www.eeoc.gov/national-origin-discrimination

Discriminating against a national origin is illegal as it is a protected class.

Unless the material is classified under ITAR ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_... ) there is no reason to do a security clearance review of a junior developer with a valid work visa.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by c2occnw »

mvdtnz wrote: post #362
prepend wrote: post #357

It’s interesting to me that google doesn’t do a security clearance review on its engineers. I’ve had a security clearance in the past and there’s no way a foreign national passes. I got questioned significantly about a family member who was a citizen of another country. I wonder if it’s just a matter of time.

Is it your contention that Google should never hire anyone born outside of USA or without USA citizenship? Do you realise how much of their workforce that would preclude?

Presumably it would only be required to work on extremely sensitive projects with national security implications (no idea if that applies in this case).

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by jpk2f2 »

mvdtnz wrote: post #362
prepend wrote: post #357

It’s interesting to me that google doesn’t do a security clearance review on its engineers. I’ve had a security clearance in the past and there’s no way a foreign national passes. I got questioned significantly about a family member who was a citizen of another country. I wonder if it’s just a matter of time.

Is it your contention that Google should never hire anyone born outside of USA or without USA citizenship? Do you realise how much of their workforce that would preclude?

Of course not. However there should certainly be a risk assessment with regards to citizens of foreign countries known to steal IP or otherwise perform hostile actions.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by [deleted] »

prepend wrote: post #357

It’s interesting to me that google doesn’t do a security clearance review on its engineers. I’ve had a security clearance in the past and there’s no way a foreign national passes. I got questioned significantly about a family member who was a citizen of another country. I wonder if it’s just a matter of time.

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Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #220
gsdofthewoods wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This dystopian vision would require lighting the Fourth Amendment on fire and lead to widespread human rights violations of innocent people. Is corporate espionage a problem? Of course it is. Is it worth abandoning the principles of a free society for? Absolutely not.

Citizens should always be incredibly insulated from any sort of government interference, I agree. The Constitution should be ratified so any time it mentions “people” or “persons” it instead says “citizens”. We need a separate document that applies to non-citizens.

Sounds a bit like ancient Athens. (That's not a complement.)

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

mvdtnz wrote: post #362
prepend wrote: post #357

It’s interesting to me that google doesn’t do a security clearance review on its engineers. I’ve had a security clearance in the past and there’s no way a foreign national passes. I got questioned significantly about a family member who was a citizen of another country. I wonder if it’s just a matter of time.

Is it your contention that Google should never hire anyone born outside of USA or without USA citizenship? Do you realise how much of their workforce that would preclude?

> without USA citizenship

For jobs in the US, yes.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by riku_iki »

nindalf wrote: post #329
riku_iki wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nothing prevents government from creating such law or executive order if necessary.

Nothing except the Constitution. Seems like an open and shut 1A case.

How 1A can protect from this? It is essentially draft.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by rrdharan »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #355
alephnerd wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's SOP in all companies, not just those facing sophisticated threat actors - there's a reason EDRs like Crowdstrike and SentinelOne are massive players now.

what does EDR mean?

Endpoint Detection and Response
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