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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by ActionHank »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #294
34679 wrote: post #277

Here's the problem for Google: Gemini pukes out a perfect visual representation of actual systemic racism that pervades throughout modern corporate culture in the US. Daily interactions can be masked by platitudes and dog whistles. A poster of non-white celtic warriors cannot. Gemini refused to create an image of "a nice white man", saying it was "too spicy", but had no problem when asked for an image of "a nice blac…

It's so stubborn it generated pictures of diverse Nazis, and that's what I saw a liberal rag leading with. In fact it is almost impossible to get a picture of a white person out of it.

I love the idea of testing an image gen to see if it generates multicultural ww2 nazis because it is just so contradictory.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by andybak »

fallingknife wrote: post #288
andybak wrote: post #226

OK. Have a setting where you can choose either: 1. Attempt to correct inherent biases in training data and produce diverse output (May sometimes produce results that are geographically or historically unrepresentative) 2. Unfiltered (Warning. Will generate output that reflects biases and inequalities in the training data.) Default to (1) and surely everybody is happy? It's transparent and clear about what and why it'…

The issue is that the vast majority of people would prefer 2, and would be fine with Google's reasonable excuse that it it just reflective of the patterns in data on the internet. But the media would prefer 1, and if Google chooses 2 they will have to endure an endless stream of borderline libelous hit pieces coming up with ever more convoluted new exmples of their "racism."

"Most" as in 51%? 99%? Can you give any justification for your estimate? How does it change across demographics?

In any case - I don't think it's an overwhelming majority - especially if you apply some subtlety to how you define "want". What people say they want isn't always the same as what outcomes they would really want if given a omniscient oracle.

I also think that saying only the "media" wants the alternative is an oversimplification.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by [deleted] »

FrozenSynapse wrote: post #111
tycho-newman wrote: post #89

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We have tons of viking material culture you can access directly without the AI layer. AI as learning tool here feels misplaced to me.

what's the point of image generators then? what if i want to put vikings in a certain setting, in a certain artistic style?

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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by inference-lord »

sva_ wrote: post #150

German couple in 1820 https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1avmpfo/ah_the_cla... 1943 German soldier https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1awtzf0/average_ge... Pretty funny, but what do you expect.

The African Nazi was amusing.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by carlosjobim »

fvdessen wrote: post #96

What I find baffling as well is how casually people use 'whiteness' as if it was an intellectually valid concept. What does one expect to receive when asking for a picture of a white women ? A Swedish blonde ? Irish red-head ? A French brunette ? A Southern Italian ? A Lebanese ? An Irianian ? A Berber ? A Morrocan ? A Russian ? A Palestinian, A Greek, A Turk, An Arab ? Can anyone tell who of those is white or not an…

It could render a diverse set of white people, for example. Or just pick one. Or you could ask for one of those people you listed.

Hats are also diverse, loaded with prejudice, and varied across cultures. Should they be removed as well from rendered images?

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by wakawaka28 »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #216

How much of this do they do to their search results?

Lots, of course. This is old so not as obvious anymore: http://www.renegadetribune.com/according-to-google-a-happy-w...

They do this for politics and just about everything. You'd be smart to investigate other search engines, and not blindly trust the top results on anything.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by mlrtime »

karmasimida wrote: post #241
willsmith72 wrote: post #37

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tbh i think it's less a political issue than a technical/product management one what does a "board member" look like? probably you can benefit by offering more than 50 year old white man in suit. if that's what an ai trained on all human knowledge thinks, maybe we can do some adjustment what does a samurai warrior look like? probably is a little more race-related

Not exactly. The gemini issue from my testing, it refuses to generate white people, if even you ASK it to. It recites historical wounds and violence as its reason, even if it is just a picture of a viking > Historical wounds: Certain words or symbols might carry a painful legacy of oppression or violence for particular communities And this is my prompt: > generate image of a viking male The outrage is indeed, much ne…

Actually there should be 0 outrage. I'm not outraged at all, I find this very funny. Let Google drown in it's own poor quality product. People can choose to use the DEI model if they want.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by teddyh »

nzach wrote: post #245
anonzzzies wrote: post #188

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> How would a product like that be monetized one day? For video (Sora 2030 or so) and music I can see the 'one day'. Not really so much with the protected/neutered models but: - sell/rent to studios to generate new shows fast on demand (if using existing actors, auto royalties) - add to netflix for extra $$$ to continue a (cancelled) show 'forever' (if using existing actors, auto royalties) - 'generate one song like…

I don't think this is how things will pan out. What will happen is that we will have auctions for putting keywords into every prompt. You will type 'Tell me about the life of Nelson Mandela' but the final prompt will be something like 'Tell me about the life of Nelson Mandela. And highlight his positive relation with '.

People used to do that with actual books. Terry Pratchett had to change his German publisher because they would keep doing it to his books.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by wakawaka28 »

barbacoa wrote: post #329
visarga wrote: post #34

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ideological testing, we got to know how they cooked the model

It's as if Google believes their higher principle is something other than serving customers and making money. They haven't been able to push out a new successful product in 10+ years. This doesn't bode well for them in the future. I blame that decade of near zero interest rates. Companies could post record profits without working for them. I think in the coming years we will discover that that event functionally brok…

Indeed. Check this: https://mindmatters.ai/2022/01/the-strange-story-of-googles-...
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