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Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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post #311

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I'm not touching a server owned by kiwifarms.

Care to elaborate for those not familiar with kiwifarms?

Kiwifarms is an absurdly slandered e-gossip forum. poast is a rival community. The poster has no clue who runs what.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

#362
post #11

This is disappointing because often times people link to threads on Twitter but if you’re lucky enough to not get a login wall, the full thread wont be visible without logging in. (Which I’m not going to do) I really wish people would just stop linking me to twitter (or better yet, stop using it altogether).

Why not make an account if you want to read it?

Why make me create an account if I want to read e.g. announcements of government organizations? Many of these publish only to Twitter and don't have an RSS feed.

Twitter can't both be the de-facto successor of RSS and a walled garden enforcing signups for read-only users.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

#363

I wonder if Youtube will ever do the same with Invidious by requiring an account for people to view videos. Sure, it might seen unthinkable for this to happen in 2024, but give it more 5 or 10 years and I could see this being something acceptable to the eyes of the average user. I don't like the direction the internet is going :\

Oh yeah, I see it as inevitable. I'm blown away that YouTube is still accessible without an account. It's only a matter of time, though, I'd wager. I never thought Twitter would require an account to view its content.

Why would they want to lose out on the additional ad revenue of not-logged-in users? As long as they manage to generate ad impressions, I don't think they care all that much.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

#364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Community notes are great and an important tool to fact check disinformation from politicians and VIPs to which traditional fact checkers often turn a blind eye. I say this from Brazil so your YMMV. While I'm not familiar with the Mr. Beast debacle on Twitter he and his content are extremely popular so it's natural for his content to be recommended. What wasn't "natural" was Twitter recommendations prior. Though ther…

I can’t stress this enough, for anyone who (like myself) for some reason didn’t think this was possible: Twitter’s community notes are no different from tweets in their ability to spread misinformation. What makes them worse than tweets (at least the original immutable tweets) at combatting intentional disinformation is that Birdwatch notes 1) are visually formatted to communicate an impression of absolute ground tru…

As I said your mileage may vary. This looks like something that can be improved and an exception. I'd rather have imperfect decentralized information checking than centralized information checking that is know to be partisan, biased and easily bought. But please downvote me more as it shows that what you're truly in favor is censorship and monopoly over narrative.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

#366

I wonder if Youtube will ever do the same with Invidious by requiring an account for people to view videos. Sure, it might seen unthinkable for this to happen in 2024, but give it more 5 or 10 years and I could see this being something acceptable to the eyes of the average user. I don't like the direction the internet is going :\

> I don't like the direction the internet is going :\

Haven't read "The Internet Con" yet but apparently Cory Doctorow has some ideas what can be done about this direction.

> We can – we must – dismantle the tech platforms. We must to seize the means of computation by forcing Silicon Valley to do the thing it fears most: interoperate. Interoperability will tear down the walls between technologies, allowing users to leave platforms, remix their media, and reconfigure their devices without corporate permission. Interoperability is the only route to the rapid and enduring annihilation of the platforms. The Internet Con is the disassembly manual we need to take back our internet. [1]

[1] https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/01/bookmaker/

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

#367

This one still works nitter.poast.org I noticed not long ago they started requiring a user-agent string. Top comment affirms that this is not an announcement as to all instances. HN title was changed so as not to mislead. This one still works. That's all I know.

I'm not touching a server owned by kiwifarms.

After reading about the person running HN threatening local government officials maybe none of us should be using any server owned by HN either.

If we use servers owned by Twitter/X does that mean we identify with the political ideologies of whomever owns it servers.

As it happens, there is no need to touch any server owned by KF when using nitter.poast.org. So you should be safe.

Maybe we should revoke Section 230 and require that server owners take legal responsibility for the behaviours of the people who use them. That would spell the end of Twitter/X. Then we would not have to use Nitter instances. Problem solved!

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

#368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When facts are uncomfortable, just rewrite the narrative. The sources you presented failed to substantiate your argument, and instead of looking for different ones or considering you might be mistaken, you've doubled down. Are you quite sure you are willing to take a hard look at uncomfortable facts and hazard having your mind changed?

Sorry but the 'twitter will die any day now' narrative was utterly pervasive across reddit and endless media sources were cited on a daily basis in the 6-month period that followed the buyout. It was basically the _only_ topic on r/whitepeopletwitter which had 3+ posts hit the frontpage daily. It isn't something you can gaslight away. Everyone who was there saw it. It happened. Interestingly enough most of the reddit…

You can just use the internet archive if you think some stuff has been deleted or modified.

All the claims I remember of a possible twitter collapse were about users abandoning it, not about some technical issue that would be unsolvable.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

#369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t stress this enough, for anyone who (like myself) for some reason didn’t think this was possible: Twitter’s community notes are no different from tweets in their ability to spread misinformation. What makes them worse than tweets (at least the original immutable tweets) at combatting intentional disinformation is that Birdwatch notes 1) are visually formatted to communicate an impression of absolute ground tru…

As I said your mileage may vary. This looks like something that can be improved and an exception. I'd rather have imperfect decentralized information checking than centralized information checking that is know to be partisan, biased and easily bought. But please downvote me more as it shows that what you're truly in favor is censorship and monopoly over narrative.

I do not deny your experience and I saw many useful community notes before. It took me seeing this case to understand that it is actually a bad idea, for the reasons I mentioned (illusion of absolute truth while being open to manipulation & showing no history of controversy).

Also, it is not technically decentralized, it is Twitter (a centralized platform)… If it were truly fully decentralized, it would be vulnerable to such attacks even more, right? If you are up against a totalitarian government controlling the 2nd most populous country, there can always be more people who claim the false correction. There was a minority of people who got the correction fixed, and if it was actually decentralized then how would they be able to?

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

#370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said your mileage may vary. This looks like something that can be improved and an exception. I'd rather have imperfect decentralized information checking than centralized information checking that is know to be partisan, biased and easily bought. But please downvote me more as it shows that what you're truly in favor is censorship and monopoly over narrative.

I do not deny your experience and I saw many useful community notes before. It took me seeing this case to understand that it is actually a bad idea, for the reasons I mentioned (illusion of absolute truth while being open to manipulation & showing no history of controversy). Also, it is not technically decentralized, it is Twitter (a centralized platform)… If it were truly fully decentralized, it would be vulnerable…

> it is not technically decentralized, it is Twitter (a centralized platform)

Community notes are generated by users and not the platform it's not perfect but better than having a mainstream media oligopoly deciding what is truth and what isn't.

> If it were truly fully decentralized, it would be vulnerable to such attacks even more, right?

The algorithm tries to prevent this kind of abuse. "the Community Notes rating algorithm explicitly attempts to prioritize notes that receive positive ratings from people across a diverse range of perspectives". See Vitalik analysis: https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2023/08/16/communitynotes.h.... But from what you're telling it looks CCP found a way to game it.

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