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It seems crazy to me how much attention flying accidents get vs car accidents. No fatalities in this flight. Flying is one of the safest modes of transport. And we have FAA and stringent training / maintenance processes to thank. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_... US has the highest death rate per million inhabitants. Even Russia is lower now. ~100 people die every day from car accidents.…

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FTA: “one revelation seemed to defy the laws of physics: one of the mobile phones that had been sucked out of the Boeing Co. 737 Max 9 jet’s cabin remained in functioning condition after a 16,000-foot tumble.”

I don’t know what the full paywalled article says, so they may say the same, but I don’t think that is very surprising.

The terminal velocity of a tumbling iPhone won’t be high (about 70km/hour, according to https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-terminal-velocity-of-a-falli...). It reaches that speed in a few seconds.

If, then, it drops on something that’s a bit forgiving, the deceleration won’t be excessive, and could easily be lower than that of dropping it on a hard concrete floor from a few meters high.

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It's crazy to me that the phone hasn't locked automatically. Do people really walk around with their phones set to never lock and turn the screen off? Mine times out after 5 minutes.

I disable auto-lock. The primary reason for this is that I’m extremely intentional about using my phone. If I have some content open, I don’t want the screen turning off. This is an atypical choice, but I always lock when I’m done and don’t encounter any issues from this choice.

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Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Airplane mode allows bluetooth, so it is trackable through Find My.

I was rather surprised at this comment. A quick google later it seems that airplane mode turns off all radio communication (as I suspected), but apparently it is possible to turn Bluetooth or WiFi on while remaining in airplane mode. At least for some phones. Honestly did not consider that.

Airplane mode on iOS does _not_ by default turn off wifi and bluetooth, just the cellular radio. At least in Europe; it's possible that this is driven by regional regulations. Though I think pretty much everywhere allows use of the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands in the air now.

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There was a death at 20mph around our area though, because of no seatbelt. It was specifically shown at the course to attain the driver's license.

It was also a choice; life is full of risks, having stuff (or even worse, other people) decide for me which I should prioritize drives me bonkers. The same person who's super disciplined about seat belts likely takes other risks that another person would deem at least as serious. Having an optional reminder feature is great; forcing it, not so much.

Unfortunately, not wearing a seat belt isn't a risk borne just by the one in the seat. There have been cases of people flying out of their window and battering someone with their body due to not wearing a seat belt. Of course, everything carries a risk of harm to someone else, its a matter of where to draw the line.

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As a rule, if the security feature creates even the slightest bit of inconvenience when using the device, you can bet your bippy that about half the user population will turn said feature off.

It’s definitely due to either abject stupidity or a lack of understanding. Some people just can’t technology

A more charitable take: they've decided to risk of theft/loss isn't worth the inconvenience.

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Just going by the numbers I’d assume over 40% of the Vietnamese on the flight.

You mean that 40% of the flight was Vietnamese, right? Because I don't think you'd fit 40% of the Vietnamese on a single plane.

Are you sure? I hear Boeing makes some very big planes...

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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post #357

It seems crazy to me how much attention flying accidents get vs car accidents. No fatalities in this flight. Flying is one of the safest modes of transport. And we have FAA and stringent training / maintenance processes to thank. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_... US has the highest death rate per million inhabitants. Even Russia is lower now. ~100 people die every day from car accidents.…

Planes get so much attention precisely because they're so safe. If we reported ever car crash, we'd not have time for much else whereas planes hardly ever crash. Every crash is international news with national investigations because they hardly ever happen.

Now try explaining that to someone with a fear of flying.

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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post #357

It seems crazy to me how much attention flying accidents get vs car accidents. No fatalities in this flight. Flying is one of the safest modes of transport. And we have FAA and stringent training / maintenance processes to thank. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_... US has the highest death rate per million inhabitants. Even Russia is lower now. ~100 people die every day from car accidents.…

I think the comparative rarity of plane accidents is part of why they're such a big deal. I've been a number of car crashes and survived relatively unscathed. Neither I, nor anyone I know (and likely a few levels of separation further) has ever been involved in any aircraft accident/incident.

People are terrible at assessing risk. Big, scary things like falling out the sky seem like bigger risks because they grab attention, no matter what the stats say.

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~25mph assuming a Cd of 2.1 (a smooth brick is the closest I could find) a mass of 0.194Kg and a surface area of 0.01142313m^2 (75.6mm x 150.9mm). Of course that assumes it’s falling facing its largest surface, and not tumbling or a falling edge first. Obviously that is trickier to calculate, but 20-40mph doesn’t seem that unreasonable. Edit: it takes ~3 seconds to reach 99% terminal velocity.

This feels like calculating a "spherical horse in a vacuum", except with drag this time.

Hah, yeah. But it's a good problem solving and reasoning exercise. One of my courses in college used this book and it's very useful for reasoning about general real-world science topics: https://uscibooks.aip.org/books/consider-a-spherical-cow-a-c...
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