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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by lbwtaylor »

jmull wrote: post #56

> the green bubble shame set to end I'm betting the non-Apple bubbles will remain green... and remain a bit stigmatized. It was never about the resolution of pictures and even technical limitations around group chat was just part of it. It's a social thing and the technical protocol is incidental. Dr. Seuss probably explained it best in The Sneetches.

>>It was never about the resolution of pictures and even technical limitations

Sure, to some degree, but I'm not convinced all or most of the shame is only the iphone cachet -- the quality is incredibly bad, like shockingly bad. It's unusable, particularly for videos. As those things change, I can't help but feel like the shame moderates.

But I don't have a teenager, so I don't have that perspective first hand.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by prewett »

bastard_op wrote: post #346
kmlx wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple only has dominant marketshare in the US. Japan: 65.88% Denmark: 64.04% Norway: 61.94% Canada: 57.84% Australia: 57.47% United States: 56.74% Switzerland: 55.92% Sweden: 55.33% United Kingdom: 51.63% Taiwan: 51.32% from: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma...

With every princelet or otherwise rich folk in the world using Apple, does it matter? It's still a race war, apple (rich folk) vs. everyone else. Some middle ground probably, but not much - apple folks are obviously the richer targets. I know who to target with spyware and otherwise get rich quick schemes, ransomware, kidnapping, almost any other major crimes. The best demographic with 1200 to spend on a phone.

> It's still a race war, apple (rich folk)

It's not a "race war" if you need to clarify that apple "rich folk". I might give you "class war", except there is no "war" part and no need to include it.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by madeofpalk »

commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

So. What exactly is the "RCS" that Apple is supposedly going to support? RSC for Android? RCS for Pixel? RCS for Samsung? RCS for Verion?

What's the point of a standard that has 5 different ways it's fragmented on the same base platform?

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #359
hbn wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. The current version of it that people are using on Android isn't even a "standard" by any normal usage of the term, it's just another Google messaging service. No one can make their own app, and there's barely any carrier adoption, so Google is basically running the whole network. Does this mean that now if you send a message to someone…

> No one can make their own app Google did, Apple will, what stops other companies from doing it aside from effort and money ? > and there's barely any carrier adoption Expecting carriers to do adopt new technologies is usually a losing bet.

See the parent comment.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by madeofpalk »

hedora wrote: post #357
ender7 wrote: post #349

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I have no insider knowledge here, but Google tried to go the high route of working with carriers for years before giving up on their intransigence. I suspect that Google's RCS is proprietary as a blunt instrument to prevent carriers from trying to either (a) undermine e2ee in some weasely way or (b) have the ability to pick and choose the pieces of the implementation they want to support. You either get the whole thi…

A corollary to that lesson is to not support RCS. I'd have much rather iMessage only open up interoperability with E2EE platforms like signal or even Whatsapp (because Facebook is somehow the lesser evil in this corner of the privacy world).

iPhone messages app - where iMessage appears - is already interoperable with every other phone. SMS!

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by peyton »

ender7 wrote: post #349
commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

I have no insider knowledge here, but Google tried to go the high route of working with carriers for years before giving up on their intransigence. I suspect that Google's RCS is proprietary as a blunt instrument to prevent carriers from trying to either (a) undermine e2ee in some weasely way or (b) have the ability to pick and choose the pieces of the implementation they want to support. You either get the whole thi…

It’s not the high road. They sell more expensive ads into it. I hope there’s a way to turn it off on my iPhone.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by collegeburner »

panzagl wrote: post #251
collegeburner wrote: post #110

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it will remain green, which means the signaling effect will also remain. the funny thing is everyone claims it's down to quality but guessing it won't matter, plus no 8ball/facetime will still push people towards iphones. especially w young ppl, where i think like 90% have iphones. if i had a nickel for every time a gal mentioned green bubbles give her the ick, i wouldn't be rich but could probably buy a solid steak…

Unfortunately you'd be eating that dinner by yourself....

Jesus right for the throat

i didn't say they were directed at me

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by snowwrestler »

kbf wrote: post #337
X-Istence wrote: post #117

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Because blue means iMessage and iMessage means E2EE. Grey and Green means not encrypted. Simple.

Green means cellular, blue means internet. This same color distinction is used in other places in the UI, such as control center and settings.

Nope, it means SMS vs iMessage specifically.

> If you see a green message bubble instead of a blue one, then that message was sent using MMS/SMS instead of iMessage.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/105087

> iMessages are texts, photos, or videos that you send to another iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or Mac over Wi-Fi or cellular-data networks. These messages are always encrypted and appear in blue text bubbles.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207006

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by doublerabbit »

no_wizard wrote: post #149
rgbrenner wrote: post #97

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Reminder to everyone who wonders why WhatsApp and iMessage won: US phone carriers used to charge $0.10 to $0.25 per message. Yes, it was as ridiculous as it sounds. There used to be news articles about kids racking up hundreds of dollars on their phone bill. Here's one from the same year the iphone was released: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/0...

While its true that SMS used to cost per message (and outrageously at that) unlimited SMS/MMS (AKA, unlimited text) plans were cheaper (and on some carriers, predate) than unlimited data, often being only $10 a month or so as an add-on. Unlimited talk & text plans were relatively common as well. In the EU for instance, the reverse was true. Particularly, unlimited data was cheap and affordable, where as SMS was quite…

The days when each vendor of mobile phone were different from all the rest. Now all of them are Android and just unappealing.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by 616c »

commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

I wish RCS could somehow be merged with IETF MLS specs but I know that is apples and oranges and not so possible.

The RCS proprietary encryption bit is very sad. Oh well.

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