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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by emmelaich »

akerl_ wrote: post #285
pedalpete wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to the wikipedia page, which is kinda the point. No other OS requires you too look it up. Even WatchOS and iOS directly use version numbers. Saying it's due to NextStep integration sounds like a strange defense of this naming strategy (if that was your intention). They have version numbers, but they decide to use the "code name" as a product name.

MacOS versions have a number, which counts up, the same as iOS and WatchOS. "Sonoma" is a cutesy name for "MacOS 14", the same way that "Jammy Jellyfish" is the cutesy name for Ubuntu 22.04. The version number is shown in the About This Mac page, which is the top menu item in the Apple menu at all times.

At least Ubuntu's names are alphabetical.

Off the top of my head I couldn't tell which was later out of Big Sur, Ventura, Monterey ...

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by FabHK »

speak_plainly wrote: post #343
brandall10 wrote: post #251

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It says the in the "About This Mac" Apple menu item. In this case, it will be Sonoma 14.0. Historically versioning is weird due to the integration of NextSTEP after Job's return to the company. First it was versioned up to 9, then the NextSTEP integration was 10, then subsequent major releases were minor bumps (ie 10.1, 10.2) as OSX was a brand unto itself until 11 which rebranded to MacOS and full versions were used…

Sonoma is the 21st release of a Mac operating system based on NeXTSTEP. The switch to 11 marked the transition to Apple Silicon. The code names have been used as an alternate name since 10.2 Jaguar as a way at the time to differentiate from and shame Microsoft’s Longhorn (Vista). 1. Mac OS X Public Beta (Kodiak) - 2000 2. Mac OS X 10.0 (Cheetah) - 2001 3. Mac OS X 10.1 (Puma) - 2001 4. Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) - 2002 5…

> 4. Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) - 2002

Or “Jagwire”, as Steve Jobs said:

https://youtu.be/nXJsS4B42_Q?t=708

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Uehreka »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #326
dgacmu wrote: post #318

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This seems a little exaggerated? Macos 12 will run on most Macs from 2015 and later. 8 year old hardware isn't Earth shattering, but it's also not a "hostile" period of time for a non-commercial open source project to support. And it's certainly not "new hardware every year".

The "period of time" isn't what was hostile.

Edit: nevermind

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by bombcar »

dkonofalski wrote: post #162
iamdamian wrote: post #148

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It's funny because this really shouldn't be required (and isn't with 1Password standalone). But yes, I will eventually move over to BitWarden.

Yes, but 1Password standalone is missing many of the features of the subscription service that would be impossible to implement without it.

What features are those?

I was forced off standalone when they broke using dropbox as a sync backend, but it's really just a fancy keychain at this point ...

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by bombcar »

de6u99er wrote: post #111

I hope it can do DisplayPort Multi Stream Transport. Currently I have to connect one screen through TB4, and the other one through HDMI despite the TB4 screen being able to daisy chain through DisplayPort. One screen is a 32 inch UHD 60Hz monitor and the other one is a 24 inch 2560x1440 90Hz screen which is rotated by 90 degrees.

I need to check how I have my four displays attached to my MacBook, because I know one is the HDMI, one is HDMI via the dock, but I swear two are connected via some form of daisy chain.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by watermelon0 »

bshacklett wrote: post #240
n8henrie wrote: post #197

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https://nixos.org/download.html#nix-install-macos The homebrew team seems incredibly burnt-out, to the point of hostility. I've really enjoyed the nixpkgs community so far and encourage others to check it out; it hasn't replaced homebrew entirely for me (yet), but it's getting closer every day.

My issue with Nix is that you are forced to install packages in a global location. Why is it that every package manager assumes I’m an administrator on my machine? Even if I am, how does it make sense to take over a global directory as a single user?

Homebrew is the same, there is no good way to have Homebrew installation shared among multiple users on a single machine, much less to have separate packages for each of them.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by gnicholas »

aeyes wrote: post #288
chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all. Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

Oh man, it gets worse than that. After updating to iOS 17 the other day, I said to my phone "play OverCast" (my podcast app). It used to start playing from that app. This time, it started playing a band called Overcast, and told me I had just started a 7 day free trial of Apple Music. What the actual fuck.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by bombcar »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #278
bori5 wrote: post #174

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Anyone know if there is any benefit to doing a reinstall vs just installing over current Ventura ? Is it for peace of mind, placebo?... Any quantitative comparisons ?

I find it quite nice, personally. Reinstalling yearly-ish allows me to examine what tools I'm using and see if I could replace/remove any of them.

This is the bigger thing, really, because the way macOS upgrades is basically to apply your existing setup over a new install.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by jawngee »

behnamoh wrote: post #308
spicybright wrote: post #16

FINALLY we've come full circle and can have widgets on the desktop again! It's not like a revolutionary killer feature for me, but I just always preferred having information always in my "peripheral" instead of having to actively check a separate menu.

Next thing I'm waiting for: Apple removes the useless Stage Manager "feature" (it's not a feature, it's a bug).

I daily drive stage manager. It's made me quite a bit more productive.
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