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Kagi raises $670k

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Re: Kagi raises $670k

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I know a lot of people here thought Kagi wasn't worth it, but I'm an early adopter who has been a happy customer for some time now. Search is really important to me, and it isn't just about looking up businesses or Wikipedia pages. I read lots of academic papers and just want it to be easy to separate the wheat from the chaffe. Kagi makes that really easy with its lenses. Sure, Brave search has something similar, but…

What is a Kagi lens? Is it different from Google Scholar?

Like Brave Search Goggles: https://search.brave.com/help/goggles

"Goggles enable any individual—or community of people—to alter the ranking of Brave Search by using a set of instructions (rules and filters). Anyone can create, apply, or extend a Goggle. Essentially Goggles act as a custom re-ranking on top of the Brave search index."

Re: Kagi raises $670k

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Ever since they upped the search limit (before it's pay per search), I've been a happy camper. On the other hand, it did teach me the true cost of searches, and I use a lot more !bangs now, like !mdn or !archwiki (although the search powering both of these are probably funded by donations)

So it basically supports the same bangs as DDG? Couldn't find it in their feature list. Do bangs count as a search?

Sorry for the late reply (though that's what's great about HN), but yes it supports all of DDGs bangs as far as I know.

Re: Kagi raises $670k

#363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically a way to restrict search results to particular websites. So you could create a "programming" lens including Stack Overflow and Github, for example, and a search using that lens would only return results from those sites.

Can lenses be shared with other users? And is there some kind of shared repository for them where we could crowdsource for example a lens with the urls of all Python docs of popular packages?

They can be shared in a Team plan, we are still thinking how to do this in a safe way for individual users (to protect against malicious intent).

Re: Kagi raises $670k

#364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is one here: https://kagi.com/privacy#warrant-canary

That’s a good start, though it should really be dated. Thanks!

We wanted to keep the presentation consitent, and all relevant dates are posted in the changelog at the bottom of the post.

Re: Kagi raises $670k

#365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounded like they claim to not store identifying information along with searches at all, which is the biggest privacy concern to me.

They can claim what they want; the fact remains that I have to trust them. If I use Brave or DDG or even Google, I can do things to obfuscate my identity from them. Kagi is the only search engine that requires users to authenticate, and ties that authentication to a method of payment that can be trivially tied to the user's identity. As far as the user is able to verify, that makes them the least private search engin…

That is fair. Few things we are doing that I'd like to point out:

- Users can register with any email. We really do not verify or need this apart from having a way to have an account, which we need to authorize payments

- Some users suggested using crypto to obfuscate identity but this is not as straightforward and does not work as good with subscriptions

https://kagifeedback.org/d/493-enable-anonymous-payments-ala...

- The most interesting idea we've seen is using "blind signatures" which we are currently contemplating on

https://kagifeedback.org/d/653-completely-anonymous-searches...

Re: Kagi raises $670k

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I had to read the headline twice. At first I read it as $670 million, and I was very sad. That’s “VCs gonna enshittify it in 3 years” money. But then I saw the “K” and grinned. This is proper bootstrap money, and makes me hopeful that Kagi will stay close to its original mission. Congrats. I am really pulling for you, Vlad.

> This is proper bootstrap money, By the way, to "bootstrap" a business is short for "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps" (yes, it's an old phrase) and means not raising any money. Just a to bootstrap a computer is to start it when it has no code loaded or running. Nowadays it's in ROM so the term is rather obscure but we used to toggle a little bootstrap program in from the front panel or, if you were lucky,…

> to "bootstrap" a business is short for "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps" (yes, it's an old phrase) and means not raising any money.

Today I learned! Technically Kagi was bootstrapped up to this point (I've invested $2MM+ of my own money to get us this far). This is the first external fundraise (as noted in the annoucement) and what makes it very special to me is that people participating in the round are Kagi users who were already a part of our journey.

Re: Kagi raises $670k

#367
I tested out Yagi's search results real quick and they are truly excellent. I was actually remarking to my girlfriend yesterday that I wish search engines would surface personal special interest blog posts and stuff like that when I search for things, because personal blogs usually have significantly better content then articles from major websites, and certainly better than the clearly AI generated SEO shit most of the search results on major search engines are clogged with, and sure enough, the example search results on Yagi's homepage are exactly what I wish search results were! Many of the top results in the python exceptions example search were personal blog articles from software engineers talking about the actual theory and practice of using exceptions in Python, and the rest were just links directly to relevant parts of Python's actual documentation or stack overflow. It was amazing, incredibly refreshing. It makes me really want to subscribe to them honestly. It seems like Yagi would give me access to the internet I wish I could spend all my time in, the one I thought was gone but maybe was just lurking under the surface this whole time, the internet where it's just a bunch of people writing about subjects they care about, stuff that makes them excited or whatever, just for their own enjoyment and the enrichment of others.

The problem is, I really don't want to be searching using an account that's linked to my credit card and thus my legal identity. That's a massive possible breach in privacy. And yeah, they say they don't log searches or link them to any account, but the thing is, even if I believe they don't right now, the fact that accounts are set up this way means that they very easily could start logging your searches to your legal identity in the future. It's like giving someone your social security number because they promise not to do anything nefarious with it. Maybe you trust them right now, but it's still a bad idea because of the opening it creates. Maybe they end up doing it to comply with some government regulation. Or maybe because it makes it easier to count searches. Or maybe because they start running ads.

Why would they start running ads? Well, because under capitalism, where everything is supposed to grow in profits and size every year so that the shareholders can get their money, just having a source of income outside of ads isn't enough to guarantee a company won't decide to also run ads, as a source of extra income. Why would any capitalist company every turn down an opportunity to make more profit, just because it already has another profit source? Obviously the constant need for growth creates an incentive to vacuum up every possible way to make profit, not an incentive to be satisfied with a stable, reliable source of income that's enough to keep the lights on and everyone employed. That isn't how capitalism works.

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