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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by jayd16 »

stevenwliao wrote: post #182
King-Aaron wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What killer app did laptops have that made them the success they are today? Does new technology necessarily need a killer app if the ergonomics end up being more desirable to a broad range of users? I don't necessarily know the answer here, but my gut feeling is that defining this device based on a "killer app" is like trying to define the original iPhone as needing a "killer app". It didn't necessarily have such a t…

Laptops' killer apps are arguably Word, web browsers, and Photoshop.

An MR 3d sculpting app like Maya or ZBrush would be pretty sweet. Not sure it's as killer as Photoshop but id be excited none the less.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by fennecfoxy »

ttul wrote: post #211
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

The first iPhone was pretty crappy. No apps. 2G only. Poor battery life. Limited global distribution - not even Canada could get it. But it captivated people who didn’t own it yet, and it proved out some essential ideas like multitouch. And when the iPhone 3G came out, improving on some of the original device’s shortcomings, it was wildly popular. The rest is history. There is no doubt that AR will eventually get goo…

Lmao, but the first iPhone was a major improvement over other phones at the time and offered a form of consistence/stability versus the often very experimental models other companies had.

The difference here is of course that VR/AR has been thriving already. Apple is late to the game as they are most of the time, but the reactions I have seen so far in YT/Twit comments are the amazed reactions of the tech illiterate general public, they don't care what it does, but it does have an Apple logo!

Apple is not bringing anything new to the table. No virtual objects, no 3d anything, just 2d planes showing video/photos which non-Apple VR/AR has had for the longest time.

This is just from the briefest search: https://www.vrdesktop.net/. Already exists and looks more fully featured than Apple's stuff.

Apple is a 1T company, the "richest and most technologically advanced company in the world", so why don't they act like it?

They do seem to have an impressive resolution on the thing, but only Apple can ask for 3.5k, no other headset bothers to have as high a resolution atm because they know consumers will balk at such a high price...

Apple's press release shows it as if some rando people are using the thing at home as if it's not going to be art studios, etc that buy the headset and a couple of hardcore Apple fans. No regular person is buying a 3.5k VR/AR set to look at a crappy 2d photo gallery app.

Other VR/AR software for existing headsets like the Vive/Oculus etc already do actual virtual objects/interaction as baseline and Apple couldn't even be bothered to include something like that for their press release. Because they don't need to, I suppose. People will eat it up anyway.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by jayd16 »

johlits wrote: post #174
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

Just give me lightsaber battles and I'm sold.

Even if they somehow nail the hand input, without controllers for haptics, I'm a bit disappointed.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

Counterpoint, there's always been a desire to have a virtual environment as first shown in 80's sci-fi films like Hackers, Johnny Mnemonic, etc; immerse yourself in a system, have it become like a natural extension of yourself.

There was someone on here some time ago who showed and talked about his setup, he had been doing his job as a software developer reclined in VR for years at that point.

Here's the thing though: smartphones didn't have "a" killer app per sè I don't think, but they became part of everyone's daily lives in a really short timeframe. PCs and laptops didn't have "a" killer app, but pretty much everyone here has it as their day job.

I don't think it's about whether it has a killer app or not, I think it's whether it can become normalized and mainstream, and be listed alongside the TV, PC, smartphone, the car, etc; something everyone will have in one way or another.

That said, I'm cynical myself; modern-day VR and AR has been tried for a decade now or thereabouts; Google wasted billions on Google Glass, Facebook bet their whole company on the metaverse / AR / VR and has had to backtrack, Magic Leap was a mystery company that raised billions and failed to deliver, Oculus and Vive have their place now as a somewhat niche and pricey gaming implement - popular as arcade / events (I went to one for a birthday party this weekend) and middle class households that have the money and space for it.

So there's a market, mostly in gaming, but it's not become as mainstream yet as e.g. the smartphone. I don't personally believe it will, but if anyone can take an existing concept, iterate on it and make it mainstream, it's Apple.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #291
JohnAaronNelson wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The killer app will be porn and/or virtually undressing the people around you.

With $3500 you can go on an epic drug fueled sex party with high quality real live escorts that will make your mates jealous and will be an experience you remember for life. Spending $3500 just to wank at VR videos is crazy.

Yeah but that involves going out, talking to people, and actually having a witness to your own desires.

Don't underestimate the power of shame; it's not about getting off, it's about getting off in private without anyone knowing about it. And it's about being in control, because an escort can say 'no', will not just disappear when you have post-nut clarity, will have their own boundaries.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by p_l »

xorcist wrote: post #293
hdctambien wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iphone was full of killer apps at release. The Maps app was so much better than printing MapQuest maps or trying to use the flip phone version of MapQuest. Being able to access the real internet from anywhere was futuristic. You could use iMessage without paying $0.10 per text?!?! Can you even imagine paying $0.10 per text (and $0.25 for every text after the first 100 per month?) Visual voice mail was also a game…

The built in apps of the iphone were more of a technology demonstration than anything else. They few that existed were also kind of useless because the iphone didn't have mobile data other than glacial slow GSM until the iphone 3G. This new headset also looks like a technology demonstration. That doesn't mean it will become the next iphone, but it certainly has potential.

iPhone severely depended on how shitty US networks were in general, and honestly if MS didn't bumble things with WP7 I'm not sure it would get that popular that fast.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by duffyjp »

neuronic wrote: post #342
asimpletune wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's position, in so many words, is that if you want a cheaper iPhone, buy an older model. Their products are so good, that the budget model is just the old one. For example, I have an iPhone 11. I got it the day it came out, and I really don't need another phone. I will continue to use this one until it breaks, or probably for another 5 years, whichever comes first. Maybe for some people, it's beneath them to buy…

That's to the point. There is also less and less reason to upgrade quickly nowadays. My phone is a 12 Pro and I see less than zero need to upgrade. For example, 120Hz display is super nice but downgrading from it is far more jarring than upgrading to it is beneficial. 60Hz is absolutely good enough for years but only if it isn't a downgrade from 120Hz. I can also see my M1 MBP last as long as my trusty 2009 MBP which…

My 2011 MBP is still going strong. With 16gb ram and an SSD it's honestly not even slow unless you have to compile something.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by perardi »

ttul wrote: post #211
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

The first iPhone was pretty crappy. No apps. 2G only. Poor battery life. Limited global distribution - not even Canada could get it. But it captivated people who didn’t own it yet, and it proved out some essential ideas like multitouch. And when the iPhone 3G came out, improving on some of the original device’s shortcomings, it was wildly popular. The rest is history. There is no doubt that AR will eventually get goo…

As people below have pointed out, arguable it was crappy. Sure, lacked 3G, lacked apps, but the utter ease of connecting to wifi and flicking through Safari…

…anyways, arguable. What’s inarguable is that the iPhone 4, which came along only 3 years later, was a damned miracle. Beautiful design, Retina screen, something approaching a “real” camera—just remarkable progress in that time.

I’m unsure if Apple is going to be able to pull off that hyperspeed progression this time. The Vision Pro seems to have truly wild capabilities, but for a lot of money and with very little battery life. Are we going to have a big leap in price/performance soon? I dunno.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by tootie »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

I worked for a digital creative agency that partnered with a few AR/VR companies including the big ones creating demos and POCs for conferences or events. We spent so much time brainstorming and testing with some really bright people and never really came up with more than diverting bits of motion art. We made one pretty decent mini game. Nothing substantive.

And think about the mainstream industry. It's been years and the peak of AR is still Pokemon Go and VR is Beat Saber. Apple Vision looks to be twice as good as the Meta Quest for 10x the price.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by 542458 »

SecretDreams wrote: post #354

Maybe it's not obvious, but this thread is lowkey being brigaded lol. Some of the use cases people are espousing and the timelines are.. ambitious. So far, this product looks like it was made for stockholders to go try to sell to the general public lol.

"Brigaded" usually means (in an online context) a coordinated attack from an outside source. I don't think there's any evidence of that - just sounds like a bunch of independent commenters who like the Apple or VR (both groups are common on HN) and want to say good things.
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