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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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> rabid amount of hate will get you nowhere in life and will always keep you in a negative mood and disappointed Wat. Honestly, this attitude—equating moderate criticism with “rabid hate”— causes me to pause every time I get excited about India. There are democratic trade-offs in development. India has made them decently historically, and well recently. But the way you tank that balance is with blind jingoism.

> Honestly, this attitude—equating moderate criticism with “rabid hate” I was responding to this comment: "I absolutely hate the way fellow Indians will just try and deflect negative stories about India as western propaganda." Nice try trying to change the tone of his sentence (which was "I absolutely hate") to "moderate criticism". There is nothing "moderate" about "absolutely hating" something/someone. I was just r…

> nothing "moderate" about "absolutely hating" something/someone

Fair enough. “I hate” in American English is a complaining—not raging—tone, though I grant it’s ambiguous and concede it shouldn’t be used.

> What difference would it make to India's growth trajectory if you lose your excitement?

Not much. Generally speaking, “fuck you, I’m beautiful” cultures that turn insecurity into a national sport have a common path.

India’s elites are savvy enough to build trade and diplomatic relationships, learn from others’ successes and failures and show outward strength. But I’ve seen this dismissive attitude towards criticism of any kind in my own family, and it’s paused at least my investing in India. (The only other places I see this, ironically, is in the U.K., Russia and rural American south.)

> I presume I have more experience about how much India has changed compared to Westerners or even NRIs who abandoned India for greener pastures and sit in the West and pontificate

Right. This attitude. It’s limiting in its rejection of unexpected sources of information. Again, it’s not common. Particularly among the elite and worldly. But as in America, when this attitude spreads, it diminishes prospects.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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I suspect your comment is downvoted because it's ominous and substance-free. Reasonably so, I think. Your comment is in fact a negative drag on the quality of conversation here. Live a little. Go ahead and share your perspectives. The maximum downvote damage is -5 points. You'll survive. I'll upvote you even if I disagree. Unless they're just the standard talking points from one side or another on some contentious to…

OK, here's an example: A couple of months ago they were tossing around the idea of "retaking Crimea". I believe that any effort to do that should be based on a best effort assessment of the will of the people living there, because those are the people who will be getting artillery shells in their livingroom in exchange for it. Based on my own experience with expats from there and Donbas, who still have family in the…

To your edit:

There's nothing controversial about saying that it'd be better if the COVID vaccines were better!

The COVID vaccines we have are measurably better than not having a COVID vaccine, and people had worse health outcomes if they believed (acted) otherwise.

Some narratives allow nuance and some do not. Public health communication is a very problematic place for nuance, and the natural nuance of science was weaponized to serve an agenda (which was sometimes blatantly dishonest) -- so avoiding nuance became a pragmatic approach to achieving better outcomes under existing circumstances.

If you felt cancelled for holding out for the complicated nuanced reality, I can sympathize with that feeling. I can also sympathize with those who believed that focusing on the nuance would, broadly, harm people!

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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India is a fine specimen for anyone wanting to observe 1930s-40s first hand. A far right party with a popular/charismatic leader is using religion as a basis to all the problems India faces. We have extra-legal forces acting as vigilantes against people of a community. They have a very strong support in the majority. Media is in totality controlled by ruling party and social media is saturated with noise and false di…

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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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There’s a pretty clear split between Russia and the nations in the “Global North”. Almost all of them have Russia under severe sanctions right now.

There also was never a clear political union between geographical west and east. I think it just makes no sense using these terminology.

East and west is effectively deprecated with the current world order. We use Global North/South sometimes now. The reason we have this terminology is because of the colonization, imperialism, elitism, and racism set forth by the Global North. The point isn’t to find the perfect terminology. It’s bigger with a ton of history and material conditions attached to it.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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That is what a lot of us think the real threat of "AI" is: not that it will autonomously produce bad outcomes for humanity, but because it's a tool that's indifferent to truth or falsehood it allows any kind of truth or reality based politics to be totally flooded out of the public sphere. Everyone ends up fighting in the hall of mirrors.

100%. And the thing I've personally found quite shocking is how the past 5-10 years or so have shown that even when the truth does come out, there are enough "mirrors" as you put it so that people can question anything and believe whatever they want to believe, facts be damned. A couple weeks ago when the Patriot Front had a white supremacist rally and march in front of the Washington Monument (now of the "red bike g…

It was difficult for me to tell if they actually believed that fairy tale, or of they felt that it didn't really matter because they knew if they shouted "fake news" loud enough they could get enough like minded people to upvote it.

It's a tactic to call everything a false flag, even your own ops. It requires virtually zero time, effort, or education to get everyone on your side doing it. Liberals fall for this trick frequently because they are obsessed with being seen to have to correct answer, so they invest for more effort in debunking than the liars did in making their claim.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

So I mean, postmodernism is a pretty "diverse" field, and while there are some who would claim to be full relativists, they aren't usually taken very seriously. What someone like Herbert Marcuse would claim is that there is something like a "definite negation," or Jacques Derrida would call a "trace;" that is, there, sitting behind every signifier (of de Saussure's structural linguistics) its negation of another sign…

> The so-called "correspondence theory of truth" is considered a fallacy of the layman in academic philosophy. Truth has always been, in logic, a category: a value, specifically a boolean value.

Perenially underappreciated in online discussions.

Very nice summary.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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I think you capture it, but to make it clear, post-modernism existed before the Internet. I’ve never considered the post-truth perspective as having anything to do with intentional misrepresentation, but rather relativism (which is dangerous in other ways, imho). Outright lying has been used by authoritarians, but it really seems like we need a term to describe societies controlled by blatant, obvious lies (which is…

I wrote up a much longer reply to this, but I can't get myself to submit it. tl;dr is there are some basic things you cannot say in public today without getting cancelled. And I'm not talking about kiddy porn or extreme Trumpisms. Edit: Literally took 5 minutes for the first downvote, despite not mentioning a single "issue". What's that old phrase? QED?

I haven't downvoted you but I was tempted. Either submit it, submit anonymously, or don't. As it is your comment asks for attention while providing only frustration in return; it's just noise.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Or build walled gardens inside the connected world. Dunbar's number, right?

Doesn’t that just create echo chambers?

Sure, what of it? There's no rule saying people can't eblong to more than one echo chamber.
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