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Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People don't form loyalty or compassion towards the organization, but they inevitably do towards each other. If you put a bunch of people together on a task, then no matter how they got there - for money, for fame, or forced to do so - they generally do develop shared bonds and do things because of their teammates. Heck, in war when push comes to shove, soldiers aren't really motivated to die for their country but ra…

>being on at a job for some time is sufficient to form a shared local culture and camaraderie. But that does not happen remotely You can certainly get these task shared bonds remotely, think of any guild/clan based video game.

The amount of time people spend with their guild/squad, and especially the years they spend with the same persons exceeds the time/duration they spend at the same place of work.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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I am so tired of people in this community making vague and unbacked up feelings of how things are... In any other industry this sort of magical thinking would be called out as completely unscientific. You have the money to do actual studies and even hoards of startups to be able to test it. Release the raw numbers and do the study, don't just make things up based on your theory and a quote or an essay . I'm willing t…

How would you study it exactly? Start-ups fail all the time for reasons that have nothing to do with their organisation or even execution. And if you prove that some succeed with it and some fail with it, as you suggest, then you've proven nothing.

My hypothesis is that it doesn't make any significant difference once the startup has grown beyond its founders (and they can work however works for them). No idea how to test that.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Asking a CEO for their opinion on remote work is like asking a feudal lord their opinion on democracy.

"How can I effectively employ my Seagull Management[1] style if everyone is working from home?"

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1. Swoop in, make a lot of aggressive noise, shit on everyone and then fly off to the golf course.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Keith Rabois, a general partner at venture capital firm Founders Fund, told The Logan Bartlett Show last week, adding that neither he nor his firm would invest in a venture based on it. Younger workers, he noted, “learn by osmosis” in a way that requires in-person interaction, and supervisors discover hidden talent by watching them. Uh huh right, discovering hidden talents, not micromanagement, no sir!

> Younger workers, he noted, “learn by osmosis” in a way that requires in-person interaction Having spent a considerable number of hours in the last year explicitly doing work with / training junior staff... That's just silly. Start open streams of your work. Give short presentations. Invite junior people when you do something interesting. It's really not a lot of effort and in-person is definitely not required.

I spent a couple of pandemic years at Dropbox, working fully remote. My team regularly started up Zoom calls and invited junior engineers to participate in design conversations, troubleshooting, etc., because it helped them to both feel invested in the product and to grow as engineers.

The trouble is that this takes explicit effort from senior engineers, whereas in-office teams don't require the same consideration.

So, while I fully believe remote work can teach junior engineers as well as in-person work, I don't think it always does teach them especially well, and I suspect that will always be a challenge.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Yet there are thousands of fully remote companies, plenty of startups that were highly successful as remote only and either IPOd or were acquired as fully remote. Including my current company, and many companies we all work with daily.

Lots of the covid inspired remote workplaces weren't ready for it. It's a change, and you have to know how to manage a remote company. That may take time and some people in management may not be able to do it.

Sam couldn't make it work. That's a Sam problem, not a remote work problem.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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The headline will lead to confirmation bias among those who only learned to manage by proximity. I do think Sam Altman has expressed something, though, that my teams and I have been feeling acutely over these past few years. The quote: "the more fragile and nuanced and uncertain a set of ideas are, the more time you need together in person" - when my team is tackling something that resists applying formula or process, we do seem to make progress quicker in person than remote. That said, those truly ambiguous ideas make up a small percentage of our work.

Given that mass-engagement with AI has opened so many peoples' eyes to how few white collar skills are applied to truly fragile/nuanced/uncertain need, I'm trying to use THAT insight with my organization to evolve what in-person is intended for.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Cities in the past have had many reasons to exists, almost all are essentially disappeared but some social aspects of them it's valuable for those who rule:

- if you live in a dense area, in a high rise building, you do not really own anything, oh sure you might own an apartment or more than one, but they are just parts of a bigger thing, tied to it. You are not a human in nature with other humans, you are a part of an artificial ecosystem crafted and ruled by some at the top of the pyramid and to live better or you fight them and win (highly unlikely, since you own next to nothing) or you slavishly serve them and climb the hierarchy. Even if you feel free in similar ways, even MORE free in a city where without owning you still can have so many things, there you are just a part of a complex gear system you do not own. In a home you are the king/queen of a small kingdom interacting to survive and flourish with other peers;

- if you live in a city you need services: traffic is a problem, so mass transport is needed, and that's a service, you can't produce food locally nor buy locally produced food, anything need to come from outside, witch are other services. When things goes well almost nobody care about the big and powerful decision allowing them to act freely, when thing goes bad almost all are in an emergency so have not much slack to discuss and decide. Not only humans are pushed to be sheep in a flock they are also bound by the artificial nature of the city as a single complex system/entity;

- peoples in cities are easy surveilled, blocked, handled like a flock. In a low density area surveilling a spread population is VERY expensive and hard, blocking them it's next to impossible, depriving them of anything similarly.

As a result it's possible to force people to the 2030 agenda state of things a small step at a time in a city: https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/s... not outside.

That's the big issue with remote work:

- it have allowed many fleeing the cities and live better outside them;

- it told the value of owning a nice home more than being in a nice apartment in a high rise building, witch means owning anything on top of the ground vs owning just a portion of a building;

- it told that's perfectly possible live and work effectively like that.

Essentially remote work thought that cities are not needed anymore to live well. Unfortunately for some at the top of the social pyramid cities are deeply needed to rule, frame and profit from peoples life.

Since anything that works it's here to stay in a way or another I expect remote work survive, so cities decline to be kind of interment camps without apparent bars, like certain Siberian gulag of the past where mere nature was the bars but only few will been able to remain outside, perhaps with careful actions to deprive them enough to makes life outside too expensive for most.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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post #343

The full quote is a bit narrower than the title implies; > "I think definitely one of the tech industry's worst mistakes in a long time was that everybody could go full remote forever, and startups didn't need to be together in person and, you know, there was going to be no loss of creativity,” he told attendees. "I would say that the experiment on that is over, and the technology is not yet good enough that people c…

It is just part of the Silicon Valley lore. You know how all those successful start-ups were all started in big office complexes. It is just more creative that way. It has been obvious for a while now that the optimal workplace was designed in the 18th century.

While I'm fine with exploring if there are better ways of doing collaborative work, just because an idea is old doesn't mean it's bad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronological_snobbery

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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The full quote is a bit narrower than the title implies; > "I think definitely one of the tech industry's worst mistakes in a long time was that everybody could go full remote forever, and startups didn't need to be together in person and, you know, there was going to be no loss of creativity,” he told attendees. "I would say that the experiment on that is over, and the technology is not yet good enough that people c…

>Where it's disappointing (to me) is that it seems he's just ... giving up. His job isn't to solve the remote work problem but to run a company effectively. Given the current job market and glut of engineers looking for jobs solving the remote work problem won't provide much if any competitive advantage. That may change in the future but right now isn't the future.

His job isn't to solve the remote work problem...

He's talking about the remote work problem, and he's suggesting a solution to it...

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