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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by XorNot » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:37 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #101

1123581321 wrote: post #16

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Historically, in these situations your business is either about to become obsolete or is about to have much more competition. You could hire people to do the new tasks required to thrive, but it’s easier to retrain people you already know and who want to work for you.

It actually much easier to hire people who already have the skillset and pay them 5-10% more than they are making because of salary compression and inversion.

Let's be realistic here though: a big chunk of that is that there are plenty of people who decide they'll simply ignore the new direction, or they're too old to adapt with the times, and curmudgeon about it until someone's hand is forced.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by JasserInicide » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:37 PM UTC

mort96 wrote: post #249

pavel_lishin wrote: post #167

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> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? The extra value has gone to enrich the oligarchs rather than to the people. Maybe that should change.

Maybe that should change.

I'd love to see that change but we have a populace that directs its energy at attacking itself instead of the people in power

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by mort96 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:37 PM UTC

richwater wrote: post #332

mort96 wrote: post #249

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> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? The extra value has gone to enrich the oligarchs rather than to the people. Maybe that should change.

Claiming society hasn't massively benefited from productivity increases over the last century is certainly a take.... typical western raised privileged person claiming how terrible everything is.

I don't mean to say that there has been no benefit to the masses. I'm saying there benefits are clearly massively unequally distributed as the 0.1% get an ever increasing share of the wealth.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by Mezzie » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:38 PM UTC

surgical_fire wrote: post #156

Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…

It's also really good to use as a way to explore the dusty old corners of your own brain. I'm writing something in vanilla JS for reasons and it's been a while since I've written that, but I can tell pretty easily if what it generates will run/be suitable and where it needs to be tweaked.

Basically I use it as a way to induce Deja Vu. Or for things where, to quote Potter Stewart: "I'll know it when I see it."

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by maeil » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:38 PM UTC

pydry wrote: post #283

mort96 wrote: post #249

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> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? The extra value has gone to enrich the oligarchs rather than to the people. Maybe that should change.

How do you deprive an oligarch of their ill gotten wealth without violence?

Through violence, as history has shown.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by couchand » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:39 PM UTC

simion314 wrote: post #302

moneywoes wrote: post #193

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Or half her team gets fired

Don't most companies have a giant backlog of bugs and todo items? if you get a productivity books with AI you can fix all those bugs the users reported and implement the feature your users want, and implement that hard feature you always wanted to add but you did not had the time.

Despite what many think, lack of fingers-on-keys is not what's keeping those bugs, todos, and features unbuilt.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by randallsquared » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:39 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #167

logicalmonster wrote: post #138

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

> > that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives.

> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure?

Is the promise you're referring to that work will be so valuable that people need only work less than a quarter as much to live a material lifestyle equivalent to CE 1823 or 1923, or that there will be so much work to be done that there's no unemployment to speak of in 2023? Both of those seem to be true...

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by pizza234 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:39 PM UTC

Anecdata: at the company I work for, it's been officially introduced GPT-4 assistance. SWEs are themselves amazed at their increase in productivity.

One would think the company will fire redundant SWEs. Nope; the company is actually hiring more. GPT-4 is increasing productivity SWEs' productivity, not replacing them.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by calibas » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:39 PM UTC

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

> a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income

Wish granted.

You now have a system where income is only vaguely linked to labor, and a handful of people make insanely more money than anybody else despite doing the same amount of labor (or less). Income is now linked to existing wealth and personal connections much more than it is to labor.

A system where income is directly linked to labor would be a step up from what we've got now.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by tigrezno » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:40 PM UTC

AGI is humanity's dream, our own geeni in a bottle. It will cure cancer and other diseases and probably will grant us immortality (in a form of incredible drugs without secondary issues).

It cannot arrive soon enough for me.