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Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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Post by chroma »

pasquinelli wrote: post #203
Fr3ck wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USA's biggest export is our culture...like it or not. Think of movies, music, etc. Some of it is intangible.

you don't export culture, you export stuff. it sounds like you're disgreeing with "america runs on money, not culture", but the fact you conflate culture with, like, movies sold internationally proves the point: american culture is in the form of market transactions. given that, how do you end up with "culturally too big to fail?" and i'd dispute that entertainment is our #1 export. not all exports are on the books;…

You can look this information up pretty easily.[1] If you only count physical goods, the US's biggest exports are cars, aircraft, petroleum, food, drugs, industrial machinery, and semiconductors. Even if we count the value of all the military equipment sold to allies such as the Netherlands, France, Japan, Korea, the UK, etc, and we count all the Ukraine aid, the total value last year was $205.6 billion. That's less than petroleum exports ($258.3B) or food ($208.2B).

1. See page 22-23 of https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/trad1222.pdf

2. FY2022 had $51.9B of sales to foreign militaries and $153.7B direct commercial sales, for a total of $205.6B: https://www.state.gov/fiscal-year-2022-u-s-arms-transfers-an...

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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Post by musicale »

nradov wrote: post #301
tracker1 wrote: post #217

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Isn't this kind of the point of the Library of Congress, though their content isn't generally available to the public afaik.

The Library of Congress is open to the public. Visitors can freely read most of the books and other materials in the collection. You will generally have to travel to the actual library; only a limited subset of their collection is available online. https://www.loc.gov/visit/

We've built this amazing "internet" technology to enable readers all over the world to read things, removing many of the limitations of physical books.

We should make better use of it.

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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Post by amadvance »

modriano wrote: post #357
GenericDev wrote: post #308

I'm so sick of modern businesses and their vampire approach on creativity and intelligent property. I see a lot of comments in this thread with what about-isms or "I don't care, we wouldn't miss anything", but these people are short-sighted. And to be honest the hacker news community is frequently the community I loathe to engage in these topics with. Because they are always looking forward with very little respect f…

> I am so sick and tired of the copyright laws that play counter to productive creation and stymying efforts to preserve anything. The fact that I have to wait until people die until copyright is up is god awful. So what's the right way to balance the need to preserve artistic/creative works and the rights of the creator to monitize or permit usage of their works? It seems rather gross to just say that the creator ha…

A good compromise to me looks like twenty years from the first publication.

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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Post by dantheman »

modriano wrote: post #357
GenericDev wrote: post #308

I'm so sick of modern businesses and their vampire approach on creativity and intelligent property. I see a lot of comments in this thread with what about-isms or "I don't care, we wouldn't miss anything", but these people are short-sighted. And to be honest the hacker news community is frequently the community I loathe to engage in these topics with. Because they are always looking forward with very little respect f…

> I am so sick and tired of the copyright laws that play counter to productive creation and stymying efforts to preserve anything. The fact that I have to wait until people die until copyright is up is god awful. So what's the right way to balance the need to preserve artistic/creative works and the rights of the creator to monitize or permit usage of their works? It seems rather gross to just say that the creator ha…

The entire concept of copyright is problematic - it limits what you can do with property that you own. It's a government granted monopoly.

Ideally copyright would be eliminated and people who choose to create will choose to create. There is development in lots of areas that aren't copyrightable.

If you want to keep copyright, then it should be reduced to the bear minimum to incentivize creative works - that could be on the order of 20 - 30 years.

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Post by TremendousJudge »

EamonnMR wrote: post #325
crazygringo wrote: post #90

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> certain weird technology and library subcultures, but few people outside of them would even notice it if disappeared It's pretty much indispensible to anybody who's a researcher. It's very frequent that you're tracking down citations to webpages that don't exist anymore, and the IA is the only way to find sources. Not to mention that it's also often the only way to quickly get access to non-bestseller books that ar…

I do wonder if we're rapidly entering a world where finding sources, doing research, etc is going to only be interesting to weird subcultures and everyone else will be satisfied with whatever the first Google result says, or a confident bot's fabrication.

It was always this way. Replace Google with your neighbor who owns an encyclopedia, or the local priest. Caring about research, truth, and sources has always been something that only a minority cares about.

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Post by [deleted] »

int_19h wrote: post #338
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #220

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I don't think I agree with this. Novels can take years to write, and to have their copyright expire after only a few years may not be enough for the author to write another book. What would be the motivation to write a series if the series isn't worth printing after only a few books? It goes doubly if the novel might be up for a movie or a TV adaptation: the game of thrones tv adaptation didn't happen until much late…

Let them maintain copyright for longer, then, so long as they're willing to pay property taxes on it.

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Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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Post by TremendousJudge »

musicale wrote: post #362
nradov wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Library of Congress is open to the public. Visitors can freely read most of the books and other materials in the collection. You will generally have to travel to the actual library; only a limited subset of their collection is available online. https://www.loc.gov/visit/

We've built this amazing "internet" technology to enable readers all over the world to read things, removing many of the limitations of physical books. We should make better use of it.

But think of the lost copyright fees!

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Post by firatsarlar »

anigbrowl wrote: post #304
firatsarlar wrote: post #245

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Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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Post by Arathorn »

skee8383 wrote: post #101

We're already screwed because the internet is dying. Everyone is just using phones now, all the forums are shutting down. IRC is dead. Matrix is dead. Discord lives because it's a gamer/trans rights echo chamber. but that's it. The late 90s and early 2000s was the golden era of the internet. we're living in the detritus now.

matrix is far from dead! just hit 94M addressable users and all time high of 2M MAU on the matrix.org server (doubled in last year)

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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Post by justinpombrio »

modriano wrote: post #357
GenericDev wrote: post #308

I'm so sick of modern businesses and their vampire approach on creativity and intelligent property. I see a lot of comments in this thread with what about-isms or "I don't care, we wouldn't miss anything", but these people are short-sighted. And to be honest the hacker news community is frequently the community I loathe to engage in these topics with. Because they are always looking forward with very little respect f…

> I am so sick and tired of the copyright laws that play counter to productive creation and stymying efforts to preserve anything. The fact that I have to wait until people die until copyright is up is god awful. So what's the right way to balance the need to preserve artistic/creative works and the rights of the creator to monitize or permit usage of their works? It seems rather gross to just say that the creator ha…

How about copyright reverts to its original duration of 14 years with an opt-in renewal for an additional 14 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_St...

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