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Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by textninja » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 1:34 AM UTC

sourcecodeplz wrote: post #137

Omg stop with this ridiculousness ffs. I get and love AI but some areas should be off limits: doctors, judges, airplane pilots, train conductors... Soon enough no one will even know how to write, just read, because ChatGPT will write everything.

> Soon enough no one will even know how to write, just read, because ChatGPT will write everything.

Nonsense, writing is easy! Just dictate some rough instructions to a GPT agent and copy/paste its response.

I’m being facetious, of course - writing is thinking, so I don’t think it’s necessarily going anywhere, though AIs can obviously augment or replace a lot of the busywork. Where ChatGPT is used to generate content absent thoughtful prompting, the stuff it spits out will largely be regarded as spam.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by python999 » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 3:44 AM UTC

pharmakom wrote: post #190

gilbetron wrote: post #24

Being a scifi geek and AI geek and neuroscience geek for pretty much the past 40 years, I've read countless predictions and scenarios and stories about society's response as "true" AI begins to emerge. So watching it play out for real is creating this bizarre sense of deja vu combined with fascination and frustration and also some anxiety. This article and the comments in this thread are right up that alley. I mean,…

I can't think of any science fiction where th AI is there but not at all reliable. Maybe evil, but not unreliable. It's a failure mode we weren't anticipating. It also might make it next to useless for some real world applications, despite being incredible technology.

C3PO? Or maybe its challenge is more relevance and conciseness?

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by yummypaint » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 4:53 AM UTC

simonh wrote: post #258

dreamcompiler wrote: post #171

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A half-working system is cute and useful when it recommends a pizza place you might like. But the same system is a menace to society when you tell it to drive a car or prescribe a drug to treat an illness or decide a person's prison sentence or protect a perimeter with lethal force. It's absolutely amazing that so many AI scientists don't seem to understand this distinction.

Many, many AI scientists are very clearly aware of this problem. AI safety researchers have been predicting exactly the failure modes we see in the various incarnations of GPT for years. Issues like alignment and over-fitting are incredibly hard problems to solve, and there's still a lot that isn't known, but they are recognised in the field. The problem is business leaders, investors and governments are utterly clue…

As with all safety rules, those for AI will be written in blood. That blood just hasn't been spilled yet. It will take the eventual benefit of hindsight to look back at the current era and estimate how much danger we are putting ourselves in.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by lamontcg » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 6:38 AM UTC

textninja wrote: post #355

lamontcg wrote: post #338

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You might be entirely correct. I noticed a small perf issue with the backwards scanning and had it rewrite it not using rfind("_"). First time I prompted it, though, it didn't actually manage to fix the problem and gave me some mild gaslighting until I told it to explicitly remove the rfind() call. Now I think the result should be comparable to or beat a regexp, but it is getting quite a bit more complex: fn strip_su…

It took some coaching to get it to use the terse style I prefer, but here’s what 3.5 came up with in a conversation where I first asked about Rust’s support for regular expressions: use regex::Regex; fn strip_suffix_digits(s: &str) -> &str { let re = Regex::new(r"_\d+$").unwrap(); re.replace(s, "").as_ref() } As someone who does not program in Rust I find that quite readable, though I haven’t run it and can’t comment…

Yeah I got basically the same sort of result out of it by asking for a Regexp, much shorter.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by python999 » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 10:01 AM UTC

MrPatan wrote: post #227

One complaint he has is "It doesn't know to ask the right questions". Well, the prompt was to give diagnoses, not questions. Ask GPT for the follow up questions first, then the diagnoses. This is fascinating in that, because now the machine speaks human, we subconsciously ascribe human agency to it. This guy was instictively treating it like a colleague, who would naturally ask follow up questions unprompted. But you…

I share your optimism, but I think a lot of the OP’s concern here is in response to a generic non-medical LLM “passing” a medical exam. In that case I think it is fair to compare it to a medical “colleague”, at least for now.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by jjcon » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 11:14 PM UTC

zzzeek wrote: post #331

jjcon wrote: post #97

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Exactly, due to tons of misinformation about the law like the above - it is causing tons of problems - we don't need to further spread it.

you are making excuses for fascists who are intentionally terrorizing women and I find it offensive. Denying care is not the kind of thing you do because you saw a rumor. these laws are designed to be vague and terrorizing and they are having the intended effect of punishing women for having sex. you are spreading disinformation that this is not the purpose of these laws. headlines about care being denied in Texas du…

Continue to spew misinformation and those are exactly the headlines we'll see more of. You are the one speaking in falsehoods and having your comments flagged and removed by moderators not me. No amount of hand wringing, inflammatory language and Hacker News rule breaking on your part changes the facts here.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by thelittleone » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 5:11 AM UTC

davikr wrote: post #286

thelittleone wrote: post #267

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During my wife's second pregnancy she was admitted to hospital at 6 months due to some intense abdominal pain and inability to hold down food. The put her on PNT, pumped her stomach daily and run a bunch of tests. I logged every test. Weeks passed she was slipping away and the specialist had no real game plan. So I got another Doctor. A busy professor who travelled a lot and was clearly passionate about his field. Ye…

Placenta percreta should have been detected during prenatal care, through ultrasonography, and it's a real shame that kind of visit isn't offered freely. It's also pretty bad that they didn't consider any obstetric causes in their differential. Thankfully, everything is OK now and that makes me happy.

I'm sure you're right.

The cause was identified. Following first child, postpartum bleeding was treated with a D&C. The D&C (unknowingly) perforated her uterus and the intestine was drawn/sucked inward, plugging the hole. It was only after 6 months into second pregnancy that any symptoms where noticed.

Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients

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Post by zzzeek » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:55 PM UTC

jjcon wrote: post #366

zzzeek wrote: post #331

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you are making excuses for fascists who are intentionally terrorizing women and I find it offensive. Denying care is not the kind of thing you do because you saw a rumor. these laws are designed to be vague and terrorizing and they are having the intended effect of punishing women for having sex. you are spreading disinformation that this is not the purpose of these laws. headlines about care being denied in Texas du…

Continue to spew misinformation and those are exactly the headlines we'll see more of. You are the one speaking in falsehoods and having your comments flagged and removed by moderators not me. No amount of hand wringing, inflammatory language and Hacker News rule breaking on your part changes the facts here.

There are no falsehoods in my statements and I provided backing sources. You're a an apologist for fascists and no amount of hand wringing will change that.