Can anyone speak to company culture/QoL of working at Adobe?
Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator
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Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator
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They do not currently operate on the basis of fair use. Operating as a human by looking at images and learning how to draw or paint is not 'fair use', it's a right given to you by either God or Mother Nature, so the legal basis for neural nets learning from other art is that it's learning like a human and creating new art from just knowing what art human think is good and optimizing its creation of art to mimic if no…
As far as I know there are no religions or legal systems that posit that there are any rights inherently given to machines.
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#363What this reinforces is that unlike with previous big innovations (cloud, iphone, etc), incumbents will not sit on their laurels with the AI wave. They are aggressively integrating it into their products which (1) provides a relatively cheap step function upgrade and (2) keeps the barrier high for startups to use AI as their wedge. I attribute the speed at which incumbents are integrating AI into their products to a…
That’s something I almost forgot about. This was not a forgone conclusion - there was a pretty big divide between people who thought AI would have real value and staying power and those that didnt.
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#364Interesting that the large company AI products (this, Microsoft copilot, etc) are so much more compelling than any of the startups I’ve seen. Makes me think that we haven’t seen what true innovation looks like in this space. Right now, AI is a feature, not a product. Edit: Not talking about the models themselves (stability, mid journey, GPT-x), talking about what is built on those models.
Isn’t almost everything on this page concept stuff though? Seems like the only thing they’re shipping is text to image and the results they show look pretty underwhelming. Seems like all these big companies are pushing amazing looking concept videos more than anything.
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#365Can anyone speak to company culture/QoL of working at Adobe?
I worked for 5 years at Adobe on an infrastructure team. My team and management was amazing and it was a genuinely good workplace. But it is a very large company and many of the usual tradeoffs if large companies still apply (eg small cog, big inscrutable machine). People's experiences varied across teams and I seemed to be on one of the better ones at the company.
Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator
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> Assuming they have been paid That is the question we are asking, yes. Based on the reading of the contributor agreement it sounds like Adobe doesn’t have to pay a cent to the creators to train models on their work. Does that sound fair to you?
The creators of these images assigned the rights to adobe, including allowing Adobe to develop future products using the images. So yes, this is perfectly fair. It's completely different than many (most?) other companies, which are training on data they don't have the right to re-distribute.
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The problem is that GPT-3.5 is so cheap, and the results that you get out of it are still quite a bit better than LLaMA/Alpaca. There just doesn't seem to be any solid economic reason to run it locally except to keep inputs and/or outputs private.
That is not sustainable though. OpenAI is in the "burning money to gain market share" phase.
But also, even if they double the price at some point, it'd still be cheap enough for this to apply.
Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator
#368Adobe employee, not in Creative Cloud. We got access to this in beta a week ago and it was an instant hit across the whole company. This is just the tip of the iceberg and there is a lot of really cool, in-house products around generative AI. The team is going to great lengths to make this ethical and fair (try and generate a photo of a copyrighted character like Hello Kitty or Darth Vader). I'm excited to see the fi…
Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator
#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
Still on the fence for whether or not you should be able to opt out of training (I'm sure many artists would love to "opt out" of humans looking at their art if the human intends to, or might, copy the artists' style at some point).
hi, I'm an artist, I do not give a shit about other humans looking at my work, I am delighted when a younger pro comes to me and thanks me for what they learnt from my work. That tells me they were fascinated enough with it to look at it and analyze it again and again. I made a connection with them via my drawing skills. I am catastrophically unhappy at the prospect of a corporation ingesting a copy of my work and st…
Also, if anything, being included in a training set means you are already notorious. The big ones are usually trained on stock art or famous professionals/classics, and the ones trained by random people are going to use quality filters to get the best images of a specific subject. If you aren't already notorious, you simply will not make it into a set. The other possible motivation is spite, but that'll only happen if you participate in internet slapfights.
And...Patreon? Fans? Influence? "younger PRO" (so a non-pro doesn't count even if they are trying their best?) I sincerely recommend you choose sentences more carefully. Makes you sound phony and using art as a social strategy. When there's so much talk about art and its "soul" you really don't want to make yourself sound like art is a mere means to an end or you risk making the cold, calculating machine seem "purer".
Personally, art should be its own goal. I had plenty of time to stomach one isn't entitled to anything just because effort, so I just want to make my art better. And saves me from the trouble of chasing trends to stay relevant.
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#370While this is very exciting it's worth pointing out most of the page falls under "WHAT WE’RE EXPLORING." That is to say, these are from the marketing department and it's impossible to know whether they are strictly aspirational or just around the corner. From the page: > Looking forward, Firefly has the potential to do much, much more. Explore the possibilities below ... We plan to build ... We’re exploring the poten…
Yeah, we are being a little more open, a little earlier, in part because this space is so new, and we really want feedback / direction from the community. Currently in the beta, there is text to image, and text effects, and will have vector recoloring in the next couple of weeks.
And so far, that's been true! Despite the ubiquity of 3d services in low-wage areas of the world -- and good ones! I've been able to build a career that I'm proud of.
I'm the millionth person to say it, but this is like watching a predator you know you can't avoid, slowly gaining on you.
I'll find another job, I'm sure. But it won't be the one I love and that I worked hard for.