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Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by wkat4242 »

milgra wrote: post #357
zvmaz wrote: post #283

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Could you share with us why you chose FreeBSD over Linux?

I did exactly the same and my reason is : Linux is chaos, FreeBSD is order. FreeBSD is so very well engineered, everything feels just right and logical. It's not the case with the fragmented world of Linux distributions. Unfortunately FreeBSD doesn't have the laptop driver coverage Linux has so I'm using Void Linux on my laptops because it is the most BSDish Linux.

Yeah good point. I'm not really a 'laptop guy'. I only use desktops (mostly NUCs). Which is basically a laptop without the battery, screen and keyboard anyway.

But I've heard WiFi drivers in particular are not so good - never really looked into it because I wire all my stuff up anyway.

I use a thinkpad laptop for work and a cheap $150 Chuwi laptop for the makerspace but that's all.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by cglong »

ilyt wrote: post #331
wkat4242 wrote: post #305

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Well yes but Linux has had solutions for this a long time. AppArmor, SELinux. Some distros like RHEL already bundle apps with profiles that make sure the app can only do what it's supposed to do.

SELinux in particular is complex enough many vendors just give up and write "disable SELinux" in install manual... Also it is totally not fit for the "ask user for permission" model.

It worked for Android! https://source.android.com/docs/security/features/selinux

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by dang »

lapcat wrote: post #355
dang wrote: post #346

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Thanks for this! If anyone can suggest a good title for the talk as a whole, we'll change it above. (By 'good' I mean accurate, neutral, and representative of the talk as a whole.) ((The submitted URL was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaandEt_pKw&t=3473s , but our software swapped in the canonical URL, which has no timestamp.)) Edit: I've put a placeholder up there for the time being until we get a better suggestio…

dang, it's far too late to change the submission title when there are already hundreds of comments focused on the old title. The commentary makes no sense now. If anything, there should be a separate submission with the new title.

Normally I would agree but not in this case. There's plenty of context in the thread, readers are smart enough to figure it out, and adamgordonbell is right: the talk, and the speaker, deserve better.

You're right that titles dominate discussion though. That's one of the most reliable phenomena on HN, for better or worse.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by dang »

pmarin wrote: post #219
adamgordonbell wrote: post #77

I was at the talk, and it's strange this what people take from it. You should watch the whole thing and see what he built over years. I was a bit disappointed that most of the questions ignored his talk about a very cool jukebox he built and focused on OS drama. He built a jukebox with all hit songs he could find in it 1900-2000 and for prerecorded music, got a player piano and sheet music and midi and integrated the…

@dang Can you change the title to the original one?

Yes, but I added what the GP says the keynote talk is actually about.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by justin66 »

kristopolous wrote: post #349
agent281 wrote: post #268

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Agreed! I have to say I was disappointed by the question at 59:23. They seemed to expect a retrospective on Ken’s career or some grand philosophical statement on software or open source. To be honest, I was pretty surprised by the direction of the talk myself, but I ultimately enjoyed it. You see, Ken decided to talk about his 75 year project: his music collection. He talked about audio formats, collecting music from…

It's a technically oriented, open source, Linux conference and he's talking about basically his home stereo. Well ok, I guess he can do whatever he wants. There's expectations from the context though. That speech was the first time I understood how people can become too famous for their own good. I saw him the day before (and I've got the photos to prove it) and he made a bunch of factual mistakes. Nobody cared enoug…

I think we can all agree that a man who is unaware of the troubles you have experienced obtaining Raspberry Pis at list price is nobody's hero.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by kristopolous »

justin66 wrote: post #365
kristopolous wrote: post #349

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It's a technically oriented, open source, Linux conference and he's talking about basically his home stereo. Well ok, I guess he can do whatever he wants. There's expectations from the context though. That speech was the first time I understood how people can become too famous for their own good. I saw him the day before (and I've got the photos to prove it) and he made a bunch of factual mistakes. Nobody cared enoug…

I think we can all agree that a man who is unaware of the troubles you have experienced obtaining Raspberry Pis at list price is nobody's hero.

Do you want more?

He didn't know pac's relation to he-aac, or digital FM was renamed hd radio (which uses mdct, based on he-aac, based on pac). I was volunteering for the debian booth and thought Debian and raspberry pi os had no relation.

None of these things matter because you're just being an asshole.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by dang »

rezonant wrote: post #353
dang wrote: post #346

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Thanks for this! If anyone can suggest a good title for the talk as a whole, we'll change it above. (By 'good' I mean accurate, neutral, and representative of the talk as a whole.) ((The submitted URL was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaandEt_pKw&t=3473s , but our software swapped in the canonical URL, which has no timestamp.)) Edit: I've put a placeholder up there for the time being until we get a better suggestio…

A good title might be "Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox"

"75 year project" seems to suggest that he's been working on it for 75 years - is that correct?

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by dang »

rezonant wrote: post #352
dang wrote: post #346

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Thanks for this! If anyone can suggest a good title for the talk as a whole, we'll change it above. (By 'good' I mean accurate, neutral, and representative of the talk as a whole.) ((The submitted URL was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaandEt_pKw&t=3473s , but our software swapped in the canonical URL, which has no timestamp.)) Edit: I've put a placeholder up there for the time being until we get a better suggestio…

Thompson's talk is very interesting, but it's also interesting that Thompson has decided to use a UNIX clone for his daily compute over macOS. The original submission included the timestamp to concisely link to the comment. It might be that autocanonicalizing YouTube submissions to remove the timestamp is the actual issue, perhaps that could be reconsidered.

The one is a talk going deeply into a cool technical project and the other is a cherry-picked bit of celebrity gossip—admittedly a fun fact, but not interesting (at least not intellectually interesting) in the same degree.

Although we didn't write code to do it on purpose, I think removing timestamps from videos (and similar things, like removing HTML anchors) generally does more good than harm, because people tend to use those to cherry-pick some detail they think is important rather than letting the reader make up their own about the whole submission. Generally we try to discourage that (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que..., which is about titles but makes more or less the same point).

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by rezonant »

dang wrote: post #367
rezonant wrote: post #353

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A good title might be "Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox"

"75 year project" seems to suggest that he's been working on it for 75 years - is that correct?

He's counting it from when he first started saving to get his first reel to reel tape recorder.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

phforms wrote: post #321
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #224

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It's in System Preferences somewhere (good luck). It's the option to allow software updates while your machine is asleep.

In Ventura (13.2), you can turn off automatic updates in the “General” tab, then “Software Update” and click on the little “(i)” icon to the right of “Automatic updates”. When I saw it the first time, it was unclear to me that I can even click on it, since it doesn’t look much like a button. They shouldn’t hide such important settings in a tiny icon or at least should have made it much more apparent that it is clicka…

It's actually "Wake for network access" setting, see here: https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c?t=349
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