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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by vladvasiliu »

kdtsh wrote: post #235
wvenable wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so weird -- I use Teams all the time and I've never had a serious problem with it. It's not the greatest software ever made but it's certainly functional. It's definitely getting a lot of work done to it.

Likewise, I don’t particularly like it but it’s fine. My biggest gripe is nonexistent official Linux support - I hate having to use a package maintained by one person on GitHub to get a desktop application for Linux, when this application is so critical for my day to day. But besides that it works fine.

What do you mean?

MS puts out debs and rpms for teams: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-teams/download-app

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by addandsubtract »

javier123454321 wrote: post #289
ygjb wrote: post #209

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I will be blunt. Teams is an awful user experience; I have been using online collaboration tools since the BBS days, and while I appreciate and understand why and what they are trying to build, it is bad software. Every single experience I have had as a teams user in professional settings, interacting with communities, and being required to use it for interactions with my childrens schools since the 2020 shutdowns ha…

I simply don't understand this at all. I've used in 3 of my last workplaces. Two exclusively and one in addition to slack. No particular complaints for having internal meetings of any size. I literally do not know what you are talking about and feel like I am missing something.

I feel like a lot of it comes down to which system & client people use. If you're on PC or macOS and using the desktop client, you're probably having a good experience (as long as you only have one account). If you're on Linux or use the web version, you're probably going to have a bad time.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by uncanneyvalley »

avmich wrote: post #169
eganist wrote: post #153

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> Because it's by far the worst laughs in WebEx

I for some time had way worse experience with GMeet.

Me too. My outbound video always looks like crap, even with hardware acceleration on and nothing else open.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by ArchOversight »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #353
X-Istence wrote: post #327

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> Try clicking on that tiny window with everyone's video feed on it. It gets bigger again into a full (and resizable) window with everyone's video feed, while the window you are sharing is still being shared (and outlined in red). Yup, until you click away from that window, suddenly its the little window in the corner again and it is no longer available in Mission Control, well the little tiny window is. So I end up…

I don't use mission control, but I'm able to have the bigger window stay open while I click in the window I'm sharing, and also click in other unrelated windows I'm not sharing. Not sure why it's different for me and you, but I'm not shocked, the software is definitely a mess. But I somehow don't have the particular problem you are having... anymore.

It seems to be an issue when something covers part of the Teams window. I have the same issue as the parent poster.

If a window is placed over top of the Teams window with all the floating faces, it minimizes itself into that small window...

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

Teams is dogshit in general, but the unforgivable part is that sometimes messages just don't show up until you restart the client.

It's hard to know when this is happening, unless someone follows up on or refers to the missing message(s), but once you catch it a couple times it's hard to have any faith in the software at all.

We've been told that this has been fixed, and it does seem more rare now, but I still end up restarting the app regularly out of caution. Which is a pretty pathetic thing for an enterprise tool from a company like ms.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by lampe3 »

samiru wrote: post #196
revscat wrote: post #147

To everyone at GitHub: I’m so sorry. I don’t mean this in a clever way, either. Teams is awful and it will make your lives worse to one degree or another.

I wonder if those who complain about Teams actually use it. They might not. My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

Yes I use it daily at work and its as bad as people are saying here.

Compared to any other Message software it is the worst.

I would rather use Discord then Teams.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by vladvasiliu »

giantrobot wrote: post #329
wvenable wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so weird -- I use Teams all the time and I've never had a serious problem with it. It's not the greatest software ever made but it's certainly functional. It's definitely getting a lot of work done to it.

If I get a message on Teams and bring the window forward, the text box isn't active so if I start typing a reply nothing happens. Now I need to use the cursor to select the box. So fuck me if I tab to Teams to reply to a message. When joining a video/audio meeting, even though the "Join" button is colored like it's active, hitting enter will pull up some part of the audio or video config instead of joining the meetin…

> When joining a video/audio meeting, even though the "Join" button is colored like it's active, hitting enter will pull up some part of the audio or video config instead of joining the meeting.

This gets me every time. Even more so recently when, for some reason, it started to take its sweet time actually joining meetings.

Someone will invite me to join, I'd click join in the popup and go about my business. Since it's slow, I'm not too bothered if I don't hear anything right away. Then the person will message me along the lines of "so... are you joining or what?

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by runamok »

stedaniels wrote: post #340
dragonwriter wrote: post #306

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> What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat Poor discoverability of, basically, everything, paste doesn’t support standard options like pasting text only without formatting, so cutting and pasting from format documents takes either manual format correction or using a third app to paste without formatting and the cut again to avoid the ransom-note look. Formatting that supports Markdown entry (kind of), but…

What platform are you on? Doesn’t CTRL+SHIFT+V work for you?

Nope. Most Microsoft apps don't support this standard. I think for teams you have to add alt or something or other. I think this is macs only. Cmd shift opt v https://businesstechplanet.com/how-to-paste-without-formatti...

Word has some ribbon bullshit: https://www.howtogeek.com/679956/how-to-paste-text-without-f...

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by pdmccormick »

paxys wrote: post #358
jacquesm wrote: post #194

Teams is so horrific we banned it. If you force us to use teams you'll have to find another supplier. Seriously, it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken. I know they don't have a reputation for writing good software but Teams is on another level, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I've really tried to get it to work but it is so messed up that I don't think it can be done. M…

> it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken Is it though? Heck Microsoft shipping a high quality product is the exception. The entire company runs on half-assed software being pushed by sales teams to CIOs and others high up on the corporate ladder who evaluate it on the basis of dollar amounts, kickbacks and marking checkboxes and not factors like usability and user experience.

I scanned the replies to see if this comment specifically had been made. Thank you.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by blibble »

jacquesm wrote: post #275
phpisthebest wrote: post #259

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>>I simply can not get it to work. Seems like that is something you should have stated in the first comment. >>Linux/Chromebooks depending on the person in the team and this alone seems to be a major barrier Something like les than 1% of the world uses Linux on the desktop. Dont get me wrong I love Linux, I used it as my primary desktop from 2005 until around 2012 when I went back to Windows (windows 10) But calling…

1% of the world -> you are missing out on whole orgs that use Chromebooks. I'm sure that if you use the whole Windows enchilada that it may work, but given that Microsoft has shipped a Linux desktop client[1] I would expect that thing to simply work. It doesn't. Besides wanting to run all the time even when you're not in a teams meeting. Video conferencing is all about seamless integration, it should get out of the w…

> but given that Microsoft has shipped a Linux desktop client[1] I would expect that thing to simply work.

this is the entire Microsoft business model:

    1. identify a competitor's product
    2. clone it, but only spend enough engineering effort to make it sound plausible enough to tick the required boxes for evaluation by someone won't have to use it
    3. bundle it with your other products (so no need to compete on quality)
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