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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by superjan »

temp_account_32 wrote: post #299
mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

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It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

Edit: never mind this comment, but can’t delete anymore. Don’t remember where I heard this.

If your brain does not get exposed to the ‘right’ set of hormones at the right time while you’re in the womb, your brain can develop a different gender identity than the rest of your body. This can be the explanation for some trans people, but I don’t know how many.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by clnq »

ketzo wrote: post #239
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #224

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That have never mattered to the mob. Anyone who questions this new religion must be silenced.

I don’t really see a mob on this one. Twitch has a platform policy that they enforced - probably a little too heavily here. Is there some sort of community outcry elsewhere? I think most people who understand the context of the clip (AI-generated Seinfeld) — even if, like me, their hackles rise at any kind of possibly-transphobic material - would think this was pretty tame/kinda funny.

> I don’t really see a mob on this one

Well, it either had to be mass-reported or spread online as a hate incident. I think Twitch mostly over-reacts to those.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by [deleted] »

ihateyouall123 wrote: post #278
mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

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It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Comedian here. Yes it is and yes it can be. But live in fear all your life and help push more policy that takes away rights.

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by pleadthefifth »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #322
ketzo wrote: post #239

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I don’t really see a mob on this one. Twitch has a platform policy that they enforced - probably a little too heavily here. Is there some sort of community outcry elsewhere? I think most people who understand the context of the clip (AI-generated Seinfeld) — even if, like me, their hackles rise at any kind of possibly-transphobic material - would think this was pretty tame/kinda funny.

Agreed. This is more censorship than I'd prefer, but at least it was censorship by policy rather than censorship by mob whim (granted, the policy was probably shaped to avoid the sort of mob behavior we witnessed over the last decade).

I think it's more that Twitch's leadership takes certain things like this personally.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by Semaphor »

paulmd wrote: post #352
Semaphor wrote: post #35

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Eh, it’s the same for IRL streams. Channels get suspended for what others do. There’s a food truck livestreaming, any kind of nudity or visible underwear results in the stream going offline, VOD deletion and going online again (or a "censored" overlay in case they see it coming), 2 girls flashing still got a warning, one drunk dude with his pants falling down resulted in a 24h ban. What are they supposed to learn fro…

> 2 girls flashing still got a warning, one drunk dude with his pants falling down resulted in a 24h ban. 15 years and people are still confused about this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmmAdbDF1xA

Twitch rules have nothing to do with FCC rules

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by Pyramus »

version_five wrote: post #234
Pyramus wrote: post #214

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Isn't the purpose of machine learning to learn something, not nothing/randomness?

The point is that whether it's an RNG or language model or just a program printing a list of numbers like I posted, it's just a state machine spitting stuff out, it has no intention. So it's not really productive to get mad at it just because it produced something you don't like. The language model is spitting out random stuff based on the representation it has learned. It doesn't know what it means, nobody is making…

If I understood you correctly your point is AI should be treated as RNG.

Here are three models: * A language model that outputs jokes, * A self-driving car model that outputs driving instructions, * An autonomous combat drone model that outputs engagement targets.

Where do you draw the line? Where do you start to "get offended"?

Just saw your Lem quote: Isn't an AI exactly not "unthinking"? That's the whole purpose of machine learning: to "learn", to recognise patterns, to abstract away, no?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by NoZebra120vClip »

crote wrote: post #355
temp_account_32 wrote: post #299

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Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

The medical community didn't delegate it to society. Transitioning is an effective and proven treatment, which has a far higher rate of success than basically any other psychiatry-related treatment. The medical part is pretty much solved, and those physical differences can be reconciled quite well. But as it turns out, the hate from society still remains, and it still has an effect. Turns out being happy is a bit tri…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by crote »

Mizza wrote: post #256
mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

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It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Most of humanity's best art, literature, music, and comedy is about people experiencing trauma. Being able to joke amidst suffering is the very thing that makes us human. It's also a critical part of empathy itself.

I completely agree, but the key distinction here is who is writing the jokes.

People experiencing trauma writing jokes about it and being able to joke about it despite the trauma can result in great material. The humor provides a shared way to process the traumatic events.

However, it is very different when a third party is doing the joking - and poorly at that. It often ends up just making fun of people who are suffering - which isn't exactly good taste. It is no longer joking amidst suffering, but joking about suffering.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by edgyquant »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #210
rom-antics wrote: post #175

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I saw it as a joke about an 80s/90s comedian being dropped into the 21st century and bombing a set trying to use old material. It's not a bad premise for a joke and could probably even work IRL if you polish it up. It's too bad they mentioned the T-word though, I guess you're not allowed to say that anymore even in passing.

Would hate to hurt the feelings of the mob, and you know how important their feelings are.

Increasingly less each time something like this happens.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by slothtrop »

silvester23 wrote: post #176
slothtrop wrote: post #80

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https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/do-you-want-cancel-cult...

I only read the first two sections of that article but they already contain such strange assertions that I don't think it's worth it to bother with the rest: > I think “a culture where social norms are enforced with repeated and vociferous public shaming” is the most useful way to define the term. That might be the most useful way for the author to make their point, but as far as I am aware, for most people being can…

> for most people being cancelled definitely entails some sort of deplatforming, e.g. some BigCo not wanting to be associated with your name.

Who's counting? It's trivial to find examples of people who've lost their jobs for innocuous reasons. See: David Shor. It's bad faith to pretend this doesn't happen. Usually for proponents or those denying the phenomenon exists the goalpost shifts to effectively shrugging it off as minor. Speech that begets consequences isn't strictly limited to bigotry, as we are told.

> someone who is supposedly cancelled would not be playing MSG.

He couldn't, until he could. It's not necessarily the case that public shunning lasts forever. Disingenuous to construe what happened to that man as something entirely different to what "cancellation" colloquially refers to.

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