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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by alejoar »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #265
jacooper wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry mate, there is no place for rationality in US diversity politics.

> US diversity politics This is in no way restricted to US.

I agree. However, as a person living in Europe and working for american companies, I can attest gender and race are huge factors when it comes to incentives for hiring, promotion, etc. when compared to companies in my country, which do show some of the same characteristics but not with the same weight.

I understand the reasoning and benefits of positive discrimination but I have also seen rationality being relegated to the point plain bad decisions have been taken in the name of diversity.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by tescocles »

vintermann wrote: post #220
blahlabs wrote: post #155

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I'm struggling to see how that would be relevant to the assertion the New York Post is not a credible publication. Seems like whataboutism to me.

Calling for a consistent standard is not whataboutism.

This has to be one of my biggest peeves online. It's such a pervasive tactic to shut down discussion of a topic that's disadvantageous for the "other side". To use a topical example I see pretty much all the time: say there is a reddit thread that has the title "1 in 4 women experience X". There is a pretty heavy implication, and it's there no matter how much people want to deny it, that by extension men don't experience X either at all or to such a degree. Yet, if you point it out that "men experience X just as often though?", you won't be refuted or shown statistics that show they don't, you'll just be accused of "whataboutism" ("what about the men?" - well, the fact that it takes an article like this to start some people saying "woah woah woah... this hasn't been proven yet!!" should tell you something) when what you were pointing out is that aforementioned subtext that men DON'T experience it.

I absolutely despise the word now, to the point I'll cringe a bit even when it's used legitimately.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by chaosbolt »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #322
notrealme1234 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't want to post from my main account to avoid any references and trails. It goes beyond just sexual harassment at work. I was accused by my ex wife. Even before any trials or anything: I lost my job, banks, housing and pretty much anything that requires a background check. I fought this for a year, and everything was dropped, because her friend came as witnesses and explained how she and my ex wife planned on set…

The real issue is that people stopped caring about whatever the justice system is going to decide. There's a new religion of social justice, and this religion is harsher than even the old religions. The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture. This new woke religion have you judged by a dumb mob. Everyone's playing the judge and everyone's responsible to punishing…

Exactly, people need religion, so they will stick to the first thing that comes up, ritualize it then prosecute you in its name.

This is why I laugh when I read that like 50% of people in X country are atheists, are you kidding me? My guess would be less than 1% of people are really irreligious, it's a difficult state of mind to be in, but it's also so peaceful when you know you know nothing.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #265
jacooper wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry mate, there is no place for rationality in US diversity politics.

> US diversity politics This is in no way restricted to US.

Eh, it largely is? I remember the pre-crisis world, were the policies were projected as universal - basically the assumption was that us culture would infiltrate all things, and thus all places would have us culture and discussions.

In russia and china, some values were shared, but by now means all values were shared. Europe may come close to having the same cultural discussions, but 10 years delayed compared to the empire core.

Other regions engage in mimicry and may be doing there own thing entirely otherwise. Means, you got a small layer of "international community" among the elites, but the rest of the population, is of other opinions but also never asked.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by gggggg5 »

default_png wrote: post #353
gggggg5 wrote: post #342

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How would background check services get hold of this information before trial? Were you arrested? I'm sorry, but based on my experience with these systems, this sounds like a fake story. Even the detail about your bank accounts being closed doesn't add up at all.

Look at the whole Adam Savage thing from a few years ago, All the court documents have the plaintiffs claims attached to them.. It adds up..

Are you saying that Adam Savage had his bank accounts closed?

As far as I can tell, that was only a civil case and entirely different from the parent commenters story.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by fidgewidge »

ivalm wrote: post #210
koonsolo wrote: post #165

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> STEM is 100% historically discriminatory to women So that women prefer to pick other fields is STEM's fault?

That women face negative pressure when they go into STEM is a real and documented problem.

This whole thread is nothing but documentation of the reverse; men being discriminated against left right and center, women being given fake interviews where they're guaranteed to get hired anyway due to Diversity! managers, team re-orgs where the explicitly feminist manager somehow totally by coincidence selects every single woman to be a TL and creates exactly enough teams for them to lead, etc.

In contrast this "real and documented" is just an assertion. I never saw any evidence of it.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by barry-cotter »

tentacleuno wrote: post #325
thinking4real wrote: post #180

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You do you, but your inaction is going to ensure more and more men go through this.

That's unnecessarily judgemental and reeks of victim-blaming tbh. Would you say the same to a woman who has been raped?

There is a word for people who voluntarily pay large personal costs to benefit other people. It is “saint”.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by actualwitch »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #322
notrealme1234 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't want to post from my main account to avoid any references and trails. It goes beyond just sexual harassment at work. I was accused by my ex wife. Even before any trials or anything: I lost my job, banks, housing and pretty much anything that requires a background check. I fought this for a year, and everything was dropped, because her friend came as witnesses and explained how she and my ex wife planned on set…

The real issue is that people stopped caring about whatever the justice system is going to decide. There's a new religion of social justice, and this religion is harsher than even the old religions. The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture. This new woke religion have you judged by a dumb mob. Everyone's playing the judge and everyone's responsible to punishing…

Everything in your comment is pretty reasonable until this:

>And this is a direct result of lack of religion

You claim this like it's proven to be true. It's not. The reason for this inherent ask for social justice in my opinion has nothing to do with religion. Instead, I feel like people got disappointed in existing justice system, looking at nasty people going through life unfazed, even though it is painfully obvious they are guilty. Innocent people going to prison over dna evidence that turns out false 10+ years later. Policemen killing innocent citizens and not getting punished. If you fix the justice system, there will be no need for social justice.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by neonsunset »

This is why I made a decision not to immigrate to US six-ish years ago when starting my career as a software engineer and considering future prospects.

I just want to deliver fast code and good user experience, not worry about "politics" and completely subverted safety nets that are now weaponized against men, not even mentioning presumption of innocence flying out the window long ago.

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