Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

futurism.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

361–370 of 386 posts

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

#361

Post by phpisthebest »

Eisenstein wrote: post #348
phpisthebest wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we reading the same page? because what you linked to is an example of Government shielding a bad actor from liability. At multiple points in the wiki entry they talk about how government protected the Swill Milk factories. I dont know if that is the shining example of government protection, nor the indictment of free markets you think it is. >>your Ayn Randian fantasy Nope, not an Objectivist. I am small l libert…

> I dont know if that is the shining example of government protection, nor the indictment of free markets you think it is. Notice I mentioned the FDA -- which has as a mandate to ensure safe food and drink, not the local official who had no such mandate and powered monied interested held more sway than poor dead infants. You use a local official as evidence of a regulatory body in a time when local officials were act…

>>like most libertarians, (who are not just closet fascists calling themselves libertarians

Facism which is a totalitarian collectivist ideology has nothing in common with libertarianism, your assertion there are closet fascist calling themselves libertarians is plainly false most likely because you misapply the term fascist due your are probably complete ignorance of both. Which is common today where alot of people that seem to have world view closely aligned with classic fascist leaders proclaim themselves to be "anti-fascist" unironically.

>so who knows what line you stand on.

well if you had read my entire comment instead of cherry picking the quote you wanted you find where my line is.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

#362

Post by Eisenstein »

phpisthebest wrote: post #361
Eisenstein wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I dont know if that is the shining example of government protection, nor the indictment of free markets you think it is. Notice I mentioned the FDA -- which has as a mandate to ensure safe food and drink, not the local official who had no such mandate and powered monied interested held more sway than poor dead infants. You use a local official as evidence of a regulatory body in a time when local officials were act…

>>like most libertarians, (who are not just closet fascists calling themselves libertarians Facism which is a totalitarian collectivist ideology has nothing in common with libertarianism, your assertion there are closet fascist calling themselves libertarians is plainly false most likely because you misapply the term fascist due your are probably complete ignorance of both. Which is common today where alot of people…

I never applied the term fascist or defined it. I stated an opinion in line with m experiences. I happen to know what a fascist is -- in fact just last week I re-read Umberto Eco's Ur Fascism[0]; it is brilliant and I suggest you check it out.

> well if you had read my entire comment instead of cherry picking the quote you wanted you find where my line is.

I read your comment -- you used the term 'extreme' and then said the government over-regulates, and you want 'minimal safety' regulations. However, your arguments do not line up with this, since I have read your comments and they are quite a bit more on the 'let corporations do what they wish' than 'the government is too damn nanny-state'.

So, forgive me if I don't take you at your word. My experiences with libertarians has led me to just assume that your 'line' is whatever you feel like, that benefits you, until it doesn't anymore, then you are on the other side of it.

[0] https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

#363

Post by Kaibeezy »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #305
Kaibeezy wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that a 2005 or earlier (pre-Dame Edna) 9-5 still had oversight from the Swedish engineering and manufacturing team. For example, an austere Saab dashboard rather than a blingy Buick one. Not sure when that switch happened for the 9-3, but it would have been for whatever facelift happened around the same time. 2003 Aero is the sweet spot. GM sales “engineers” tried selling with all-options-standard…

It's amazing that they even had a "nightpanel" button to turn offvthe lighting for everything except the speedometer. That is such a cool feature.

A feature to get rid of features. No one who knows me is surprised my car has that.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

#364

Post by closeparen »

richbell wrote: post #112
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulating is how we got here. They put the screens in to serve backup cameras. Once you need to have a screen somewhere why not make it replace all the stuff? Engineers love it because less moving parts, fewer parts. Software loves it because ship garbage now fix with updated version later. Designers love it because "clean lines and crap". Marketing loves it because high tech. Bean counters love it for all the above…

> Regulating is how we got here. They put the screens in to serve backup cameras. And for good reason, they make reversing your vehicle significantly safer. But saying "you must have a backup camera" is in no way an endorsement for massive info-tainment screens. > Once you need to have a screen somewhere why not make it replace all the stuff? Because touchscreens don't help serve any purpose of the car, they are mere…

And saying “your small cars must be super fuel efficient” is in no way an endorsement for light trucks, yet here we are.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

#365

Post by therealdrag0 »

Rury wrote: post #72
PaulHoule wrote: post #4

I am starting to wonder if the definition of a ‘luxury car’ in 2030 will be ‘no touchscreens’ and if economy cars will be chock full of cheap android devices just to shame the people who buy them into spending more to get a car with buttons and mechanical indicators.

Seems to happen often in business. Replace a feature people love, with something people don't want. Then later, return with that feature people used to love for extra profit.

What other examples are there?

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

#366

Post by watwut »

phpisthebest wrote: post #359
watwut wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Logic and rationality are not inherently opposed to empathy. That being said, one does not need to be empath to value not causing accidents to other people. "This will lead to more accidents" is both logical and rational claim. The ideological investment into idea that one must be selfish to max to look "logical" is irrational.

Now where do I, nor the link, advocate for ignoring accidents to other people. In fact the goal is to actually lessen them which I and others advocate is not the actual goal of people pursing some of these regulations. Control and power seems to be the control. In the case of DUI laws in the US it seems to be primary born out of the desire to get around 4th amendment search provisions not about safety I fail to see h…

I did not said that you advocated "ignoring accidents". You was against regulation against making it safer, with argument that punishing those who make mistakes or cause accidents harder is better option.

Then you created dichotomy between "empathy" and rationality, while responding to person accusing you of missing both.

Then you literally made strawman arguing I wrote something else then I wrote.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

#367

Post by klyrs »

phpisthebest wrote: post #358
klyrs wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Speedometer does not help you there. Oh but it does! A blind corner will kill drivers going by feel alone, who don't have experience on that particular stretch of road. Feel alone doesn't inform you that you're in a school zone (until catastrophically too late). Remember, the driver isn't just a hazard to themselves, they're a hazard to everybody in their path. How do you propose to limit licensing to experienced d…

>> A blind corner will kill drivers going by feel alone, who don't have experience on that particular stretch of road. What exactly does not have to do with a speedometer? that is about road signs. Knowing exactly what speed you are going has no bearing on your ability to navigate a blind corner. I am very confused by this statement Based on visual cues alone you should know with in 10MPH how fast you are going anywa…

> What exactly does not have to do with a speedometer? that is about road signs.

How do you know your speed without a speedometer?

Your insistence that driving is just like flying and that cars only need to stop is a bit ludicrous. Your endurance on this thread alone is impressive. That's not a good thing, but thanks for all the chuckles.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

#368

Post by bamboozled »

mannykannot wrote: post #226
bamboozled wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant pre-programmable of course.

Ah - point taken. I have spent too much time dealing with modal consumer goods where usability is sacrificed for the purpose of minimizing the number of buttons.

I'm talking like, play a certain playlist etc type of buttons, which are physical.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

#369

Post by bruce343434 »

causality0 wrote: post #195
PreInternet01 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, thank you for mentioning digital dashboards, I completely forgot about those! So, in addition to mandatory physical controls for common functions, my imaginary EU legislation would also prescribe that all essential vehicle information (speed, outside light status, fuel level) has a physical representation (lights, dials, etc., in the sense that there is nothing that could be described as 'software' driving these…

I cannot imagine how anybody can stand the constantly changing value of a digital speedometer as it flickers around whatever your intended speed is. Give me a needle any day.

My 2 cents: generally the speedometer is always somehow just enough out of "default driving view" that I don't really see it, I have to actively look at it. And when I do, a plain number is easier and faster to parse.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

#370

Post by bruce343434 »

mattmcknight wrote: post #225
karaterobot wrote: post #113

There was that story about the U.S. Navy removing touch screens from their destroyers after their horrible usability was implicated in some very embarrassing collisions. That was in 2019. If that doesn't change anything, it's not a question of car manufacturers just not being aware touch screens are more error prone. As I think most people know, the main reason they use touch screens is because it's cheaper to develo…

> a lot of times they just give you a bigger touch screen, as though it were a status symbol for some people. The big screen in the Tesla is very useful for the map. In the olden times, I used pretty large map books, and the screens are about the page size of those books. I use it to search for locations, get a list of results, select one, choose a navigation path, etc. When the car isn't moving, it is quite useful a…

How about a touch screen with additional buttons to the side of it, like those you see in fighter cockpits? Buttons are laid out on the screen to match their physical counterparts. In a pinch you can use the physical button and get tactile feedback. Stationary you can mess around with the touch screen.
Post reply on HN