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California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…

One of the killer feature I expect to see in the future when we have FSD is that cities will take direct control of traffic in a central way. If cars can be distributed evenly over all roads with each driver getting an average distance/time-to-arrival the overall speed would significant increase, with car owners loosing the control to pick the shortest route in order to be allowed to use the roads in the city.

Centrally controlled FSD cars would also allow for much faster intersection since all cars could accelerate and break simultaneous. Both would require quite tight control and coordination that only computer controlled cars could do.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…

I assume if there were more self-driving cars, fewer people would own cars. I think more people would take Ubers, Lyfts, and other ride sharing services. So I think that could reduce the need for parking and the amount of traffic just by increasing the utilization rate of cars.

Adding more taxis increases traffic:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-05/uber-and-...

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-02-21/cities-tra...

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/uber-lyft-traffic-congest...

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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In fairness I know people with "FSD" who went into it well aware that it's not really FSD and they still like it. That said, the marketing is clearly fraudulent.

FSD has enabled a ton of sales for Tesla and is arguably one of the biggest factors they were valued over a trillion dollars at one point.

The lies worked in the short term, but Tesla's on the hook now for a lot of free hardware upgrades:

https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla-ordered-upgrade-self-dr...

That won't be helping the stock price going forward.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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It’s still up in all its fraudulent glory: https://www.tesla.com/videos/full-self-driving-hardware-all-...

The title of this is "Full Self Driving Hardware on All Teslas". The hardware is in fact on all Teslas. What part of that is fraud? Nothing about this video was misleading and the car did in fact drive itself through that route.

Calling it hardware for "Full Self Driving" is fraudulent if FSD doesn't exist, is nowhere close to existing, and the video has been deliberately edited to defraud viewers into thinking the hardware is capable of something that doesn't actually exist.

What sort of semantic game are you playing here and why? I don't understand how you can not see this as anything but competent fraudulent, particularly with the editing that happened to make this video. I'm truly bewildered, this is not rhetorical or exaggerated at all!

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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10-minute bus service is totally achievable in pretty much every city. Toronto does it. And Toronto is not a dense city.

In the outskirts? On every line? Connected to everything?

The whole city, on the majority of routes. Take a look at the system map. There's even 30-minute bus service through the night, from 1:30am to 6am.

https://www.ttc.ca/routes-and-schedules#/

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Color me shocked that you're completely ignoring the merit of the post. Stay on target, Red 5. This is about Tesla selling dangerously flawed software and misnaming it. This doesn't fall under what lawsuits would refer to as "puffery" (world's greatest coffee!). Tesla is literally misleading customers in a way that can lead to death.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Color me shocked that you're completely ignoring the merit of the post. Stay on target, Red 5. This is about Tesla selling dangerously flawed software and misnaming it. This doesn't fall under what lawsuits would refer to as "puffery" (world's greatest coffee!). Tesla is literally misleading customers in a way that can lead to death.

I can’t tell if you are joking or not

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Color me shocked that you're completely ignoring the merit of the post. Stay on target, Red 5. This is about Tesla selling dangerously flawed software and misnaming it. This doesn't fall under what lawsuits would refer to as "puffery" (world's greatest coffee!). Tesla is literally misleading customers in a way that can lead to death.

> This is about Tesla selling dangerously flawed software

No, this is about what Tesla calls it. This bill does nothing to stop Tesla's deployment of this feature.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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I don’t think self-driving cars lead to fewer people owning cars, in fact it’s quite the opposite. With FSD, those who don’t like driving can deal with owning a car to do necessary transportation tasks (e.g. commuting), instead of giving it up for alternative methods because they don’t want to drive consciously/presently.

I think it goes both ways and we won’t know for sure until it comes to fruition. Personally, I hate owning vehicles and desperately want a self-driving taxi service that I can order via an app to get me and my family around.

Better hope your rating never takes a "nosedive" where you lose access to your means of transportation. See the Black Mirror episode of that name.
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