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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by TheBlerch »

runnerup wrote: post #248
bharrisonit wrote: post #243

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Please indicate the correct kind of cat to complete the BOM for this system.

My BOM: - $199: TerraBloom 6" Silenced EC Inline Duct Fan, ECMF-150-S, 288 CFM, 36W - $114: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 24" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK, - $80: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 16" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK - $3,000 (2022 prices): Siberian cat. Bought before recent price rises where the prices have apparently more than doubled, somewhat killing my dream of getting another Siberian kitten. Closely related to Maine Coon…

Thanks for sharing your air filter setup. How large is the space you’re filtering with your setup and how many months do the Terrabloom filters last before you have to change them? Also where’s the HEPA component of the system? (Agree about Miele vacuums with a HEPA filter insert, which is supposed to be changed annually. Mieles also last forever with minor maintenance).

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by anonymouse008 »

joshenders wrote: post #328
someweirdperson wrote: post #282

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Is that a vacuum cleaner that can suck water, or are there vacuums that use water to clean the exhaust like scrubbers on ships do?

There is actually, it’s called Rainbow Vacuum. They used to (maybe still do?) sell them door to door MLM style but the vacuum is actually good in my experience with them.

Funny thing as it pertains to this thread is the Rainbow salesmen used to sell an air freshener or early essential oil to add to the water. I can recall the smell perfectly now

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by krageon »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #298
someweirdperson wrote: post #282

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Is that a vacuum cleaner that can suck water, or are there vacuums that use water to clean the exhaust like scrubbers on ships do?

To sibling comment: bongs cool down smoke, not filter it

If they only cooled it down, the water wouldn't be so incredibly disgusting

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by theGnuMe »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #355
alpos wrote: post #350

The news around this, this thread, and similar on Reddit seem to be assuming a jump that isn't supported in this paper. "The residue remaining after the rinse cycle varies between 1:250 to 1:667 for the dishwasher detergent and 1:2,000 to 1:10,000 dilutions for the rinse aid." This is actually an uncited claim in the paper, and the paper authors did not test it. "In the present study, we hypothesized that if the dete…

I can smell detergent scent on my dishes after a wash and rinse, even if I don’t use rinse aid. Maybe my dishwasher’s rinse cycle isn’t very good: but if so I imagine that I’m not alone. I agree with what you’re saying here in terms of the raw findings, but I wonder if as a society we’re approaching this question wrong. Specifically: if I proved that dishwasher detergents contained a toxic chemical (say: arsenic), sh…

Modern dishwashers use way less water, so you are likely using too much detergent. You can probably cut the amount in half. I actually run an extra sanitize cycle which is like an extra rinse I believe to help remove the extra residue. Older dishwashers in general use a lot more water which helps. Sometimes I run the tough cycle since it uses more water as well.

I use the pods most often but I've found that cascade platinum leaves more noticeable residue then quantum but I may actually switch to something else entirely. The problem is if I use anything besides these two my dishes don't get as clean. The pods are also difficult to chop in half.

I think the manufacturers need to create a low dose high efficiency detergent. There's probably a formula and I bet cascade platinum and the quantum are optimized for an older generation of washers that use more water.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by tailspin2019 »

aussieshibe wrote: post #313
tailspin2019 wrote: post #300

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I always give my dishes a quick rinse to wash off any excess lions.

"Wash off any excess lions" without even mentioning to check for alkali metals first. You're going to kill some poor soul trying to clean all the baked-in francium and lions off their crockery. Shame on you.

I'll try to do better.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by avanai »

runnerup wrote: post #190
magila wrote: post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

OK I read this as carbon-scrubbers which grow marijuana. I dunno, maybe it helps oxygenate the air. Or maybe I haven’t had coffee yet.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by TheBlerch »

bootlooped wrote: post #254
runnerup wrote: post #190

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There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

I use a similar setup just for near my cat litter box. Almost totally eliminates pet smell. I have an AC Infinity fan I really like, it's very quiet on the lowest 3 of 8 speeds. The filter is just some generic brand. I never want to own pets without this level of air filtration again.

No offense intended, but the best way to reduce any potential odors from your cat’s box is simply to pick it up regularly. Several times per day when my partner or I pass the box we scoop it and place the waste in a sealed bag in a sealed bucket. Takes 30 seconds. Never had issues with odors and the cats appreciate a clean box, just as any person appreciates a clean bathroom (more so for cats with their stronger sense of smell). And from time to time fully empty and wash down the box tray with soap. We’ve been shocked by how poorly many people maintain their cat boxes, which leads to the misconception that cats are smelly. They are incredibly clean animals, far cleaner than we humans. And we’ve been asked by some guests why our house doesn’t have that “pet/cat smell.” Empty the box regularly, you’ll be amazed by the results.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by TheBlerch »

birken wrote: post #270
runnerup wrote: post #247

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I would personally get the silenced fans in the largest diameter you can afford / fits in your desired space because it will move larger amounts of air more quietly. The apartment was 700 sq. ft. I got the silenced 6" and it's reasonably quiet at most speeds, and not that loud at the highest speed -- putting filters at both intake and outlet greatly reduced the noise vs. just one side. If you get the filters and fans…

I've been running a similar setup next to my litter box for about 2 years using "Vivosun" products, which seem like a cheaper knockoff version of Terrabloom. The Terrabloom stuff looks higher quality and I can't compare it directly to Vivosun, but I've got no complaints about my Vivosun duct fan or carbon filters. I'm not necessarily suggesting one brand over the other, but just to add that you can run a knockoff ver…

Which Vivosun products do you use and how large is your space? Is there a HEPA filter in the system, or only carbon?

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by giraffe_lady »

hackernewds wrote: post #284
giraffe_lady wrote: post #55

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Yeah in industry they are often called sanitizers because the purpose and mechanism are fundamentally different from the home ones people are familiar with. Or as a common chef quip: "the dishwasher is the guy running it, the machine is a sanitizer." They are notoriously bad at removing food residue, which must be sprayed or scraped off before running. Anything more than trace is cooked onto the dishes. They're reall…

you seem to be in expert on these matters, on an experiential level?

Started working as a dishwasher as a teenager, ended up spending a couple decades cooking professionally eventually at a pretty high level. Did something else for a while, then got back into it for another few years before learning to code and ending up here.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by krageon »

mikewarot wrote: post #273
m463 wrote: post #116

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I wonder about sulfates, specifically SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate - which has many whack-a-mole names). SLS is a surficant, and although not named in this study, it has been shown in other studies to interfere with mucous membranes (canker sores, etc) I would wonder if that happens in the gut too. It is in many things. toothpaste, shampoo, dishwasher and laundry detergents, and lots more Since people are trying to avo…

>I wonder about sulfates, specifically SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate Dawn is my favorite dishwashing liquid of all times, SLS seems to be the first active ingredient[1]. What should I use instead? [1] https://dawn-dish.com/en-us/how-to/what-dawn-is-made-of-ingr...

Are you sick? No? Then what is the issue here?
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