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mikkergp wrote: post #353
mytailorisrich wrote: post #268

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Twitter has become the de facto standard, so IMHO moderation should only ask one question: "is this tweet legal?" If the answer is 'yes' then it should be allowed. Of course, a corollary is that they should be able to filter content on a per country basis because, obviously, what's legal differs from country to country, but I think there is no escaping that for any platforms which claim to be global.

What about “this pattern of tweets is sufficiently correlated with declining user engagement”. Should Twitter make decisions based on the health of the business?

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jonny_eh wrote: post #329
unsupp0rted wrote: post #304

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If the offending element is one's personality or one's beliefs, then yes, one can come back by removing that, but it's the same thing as not coming back.

Removing a tweet and removing a belief are two very different things.

Not really: we see on Reddit all the time how subreddits quickly descend into herds that can only upvote accepted ideas and instantly downvote to oblivion or ban anything even neutral (much less antagonistic to the subreddit’s worldview).

Anybody who comes by with a different take immediately loses interest in the group and so there’s a self-perpetuating system that makes the group more and more fanatical about right-think and wrong-think.

On Twitter, deleting tweets for wrong-think has largely the same chilling effect and self-perpetuating descent into an echo chamber.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by incomingpain »

kranke155 wrote: post #218

It’s amazing to me that the HN hive mind has decided that somehow one of the most successful people on the planet, who’s built a successful electric car company, a private rocketry company and was part of the people who laid foundation for a “payment system for the internet” is somehow doomed to fail in his new venture. The excitement for this new move seems not just low here but overwhelmingly negative. “It can’t be…

>It’s amazing to me that the HN hive mind has decided that somehow one of the most successful people on the planet, who’s built a successful electric car company, a private rocketry company and was part of the people who laid foundation for a “payment system for the internet” is somehow doomed to fail in his new venture.

It has been interesting to read it today.

Fundamentally elon has simply called for politically neutral content moderation. I expect he's never going to allow calls to violence or incitement type things; who exactly thinks this is a bad decision? This is to solve the ongoing problem of censorship.

Yet the people see the above as a nightmare scenario. So what exactly are we missing? Is giving the republicans their voice back and allowing them to speak really such a nightmare? I don't think these people are upset about this. I suspect it's not a nightmare scenario if the republicans getting the ability to speak back results in landslide elections in their favour. Like we are potentially seeing now in midterm polling.

What if that's not the case. What if this is indeed a nightmare scenario? What exactly is the unsaid explanation?

I don't see the cause for concern let alone it being a nightmare scenario.

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Post by icare_1er »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #215
cman1444 wrote: post #203

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Why not?

Because a bunch of white men can't mansplain and understand the challenges women and PoC go through.

Pretty racist to imply that your thoughts and opinion are tied so strictly to your skin color.

"That's ok when WE do it".

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Post by merely-unlikely »

jszymborski wrote: post #25
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

A bunch of accounts like The Babylon Bee and Ye have been unbanned w/o input from any such committee of diverse viewpoints. I don't have much faith that Musk will not act unilaterally in service of his friends and allies.

> Ye’s account was restored by Twitter before the acquisition. They did not consult with or inform me.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586073042534297601

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unsupp0rted wrote: post #304
paulmd wrote: post #247

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If you can come back by removing the offending element, you aren't really banned. "No offensive t-shirts" is not the same thing as being banned lol

If the offending element is one's personality or one's beliefs, then yes, one can come back by removing that, but it's the same thing as not coming back.

You're not removing your belief

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Post by concinds »

Waterluvian wrote: post #264

I got a 7 day ban for a tweet that included “political suicide pact” as an idiom. I then got permanently banned for including the line, “sending their children to die in Ukraine” in a tweet. The “appeal” button causes me to get a denied email within one minute. This tells me no humans are in the loop on any of this. I don’t think these tweets were controversial or require any diversity of viewpoints. They just requir…

Twitter ignored multiple reports of personal threats directed at me specifically (involving concentration camps and general death threats, etc.) "This tweet doesn't violate Twitter rules." People I didn't know, who I had zero negative interactions with before. That was way before Musk.

You just can't have human moderation at that scale. They have to brainstorm how to prevent these tweets in the first place, rather than how to catch and delete them.

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Post by joshuamorton »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #304
paulmd wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can come back by removing the offending element, you aren't really banned. "No offensive t-shirts" is not the same thing as being banned lol

If the offending element is one's personality or one's beliefs, then yes, one can come back by removing that, but it's the same thing as not coming back.

"You cannot believe in Christianity" and "You cannot hold mass in my house" are two very different statements.

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Post by esotericimpl »

icare_1er wrote: post #357
rat87 wrote: post #293

Might theoretically work as long as you have no Trumpers/MAGA types on the council. If you put them on the council they'll try to ban their political opponents and allow every kooky antivax and racist far right tweet.

Might probably happen. But what DID happen though, is the opposite team doing the same and banning anything or anyone right-wing.

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