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Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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Post by version_five »

thethethethe wrote: post #156

If I was working at Twitter right now I would be looking for a different job, regardless of what I think of Elon's politics/motives. The talk of layoffs and major policy changes creates massive uncertainty and I don't think I'd risk sticking out the transition. I bet many inside the company feel the same. This begs the question: If there is a major exodus, will it even matter? And, if it does, how will the problems m…

No doubt some people have / will leave. I think there is a very interesting opportunity too - even if it's just to see what happens from the inside, but more actively to try and be part of a different vision for the company. It seems in one sense like being acquired, which can suck but can also be interesting. And in another sense (possibly) the opposite of being acquired, optimistically going from corporate bureaucracy and overhead and lots of rules and politics to something leaner and more interesting. In any case, it would be cool to see it from the inside

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Post by naasking »

bbreier wrote: post #125
hn8305823 wrote: post #69

He literally said it will not be a free for all. He may be chaotic, but he's not stupid. There is a huge difference between no moderation (anarchy), and not targeting conservative voices solely based on ideology.

I'd love to see some clear examples of conservative voices being targeted solely based on ideology, cause I don't think they exist. The replies so far seem to just confirm my point. Doesn't seem like any of them were banned "solely based on ideology" at all. Come on y'all, show me one example where someone was banned for asking for lower taxes!

> I'd love to see some clear examples of conservative voices being targeted solely based on ideology, cause I don't think they exist.

Certain biases are baked into Twitter's content moderation policies. For instance, on COVID and gender. It just so happens that conservatives statistically disagree with the positions taken by those policies significantly more than liberals.

Is that an anti-conservative bias? Well, liberals often make the argument that the drug war was prejudicial against black people because the laws specifically targeted drugs that were more common in black communities. If you accept this argument, by parity of reasoning, you should also accept that Twitter's rules are prejudicial against conservative views.

For examples of prominent cancellations, there was Alex Berenson, Megan Murphy, Jordan Peterson, among others. These people aren't all strictly conservatives, but they were banned for views that conservatives mostly agree with.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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Post by practice9 »

practice9 wrote: post #240
Animats wrote: post #129

OK, so far, not much. Musk is getting stretched rather thin. Space-X seems to be doing OK with Gwynne Shotwell running things. Tesla, which Musk apparently does really run personally, is doing OK, but their side ventures are not. Self-driving is a mess. Solar panels (yes, Tesla has a solar panel business) are not doing well. The Cybertruck is years late. (Maybe next year.[1]) So is the Tesla Model 2, the low-end vehi…

> Solar panels (yes, Tesla has a solar panel business) are not doing well. Source? Their last earnings show that energy business part has improved this quarter

And while Cybertruck is definitely not releasing this year, Tesla Semi is going into production

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Post by dexterdog »

CrazyStat wrote: post #294
twblalock wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think many people are cross-shopping Teslas with Bolts or Leafs. The difference in performance and technology is big enough to put them in a different vehicle class. Most of the people I know who are buying Teslas are coming from Audi and BMW, and never would have considered buying a Chevy.

I did. I was coming from a Toyota Corolla and wanted an electric car. Never considered a BMW or Audi, which didn't have electric options available at the time. Tesla won on range and comfort--I'm a big guy and the Leaf and Bolt were both a bit cramped. Tesla has actually released stats on what cars their buyers trade in [1]. Most of them are not premium brands. Toyota is the largest single brand. The anecdote about t…

That article is misleading because it doesn't break down the Tesla purchases by model or even price range. Obviously most of them are model 3s. The model 3 is not a luxury car by any stretch and many model S and X owners will say the same about those models. Still, the people coming from the common luxury brands are not typically buying the "cheap" model 3.

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Post by cbeach »

I find it really distracting that the mainstream media writes about Musk in such derisive style. Do journalists find him threatening in some way? Do the leftwing-dominated media resent him for supporting Republicans? Do they think we’re not smart enough to critically appraise Musk ourselves?

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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Post by twblalock »

kadoban wrote: post #271
twblalock wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think many people are cross-shopping Teslas with Bolts or Leafs. The difference in performance and technology is big enough to put them in a different vehicle class. Most of the people I know who are buying Teslas are coming from Audi and BMW, and never would have considered buying a Chevy.

That's basically the point. Tesla can't sell to those people, because they have no product for them currently.

Tesla sells every car they produce before they build them, and there are multi-month waiting lists. They don't need to go downmarket. If they build many more of the cars they already sell, they will make a lot more money.

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Post by avrionov »

AlbertCory wrote: post #303
thethethethe wrote: post #156

If I was working at Twitter right now I would be looking for a different job, regardless of what I think of Elon's politics/motives. The talk of layoffs and major policy changes creates massive uncertainty and I don't think I'd risk sticking out the transition. I bet many inside the company feel the same. This begs the question: If there is a major exodus, will it even matter? And, if it does, how will the problems m…

As I indicated in my post https://albertcory50.substack.com/p/should-elon-lay-off-all-... : Twitter spends more on R&D as a percentage of sales than 5 other large tech companies, even Facebook, and moreover, the percentage is increasing . Where is this "innovation"? It's not a new platform. Its market is, arguably, saturated; I don't see a "next billion users" (as they say at Google) coming from anywhere. So the answ…

Thank you for the post. Twitter is also the youngest company on your list. The percent spent on R&D goes done when the company get older.

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Post by whimsicalism »

LinuxBender wrote: post #201
thethethethe wrote: post #156

If I was working at Twitter right now I would be looking for a different job, regardless of what I think of Elon's politics/motives. The talk of layoffs and major policy changes creates massive uncertainty and I don't think I'd risk sticking out the transition. I bet many inside the company feel the same. This begs the question: If there is a major exodus, will it even matter? And, if it does, how will the problems m…

Slower feature velocity? Less innovation? Based on a few articles I've read, it appears he may be bringing developers from Tesla into Twitter but I have not seen anything from him directly stating that. I doubt they will hit the ground running but with time can probably dig into the code and processes. Sadly I've been in an industry that was focused on taking over after entire IT/engineering/development teams were le…

> it appears he may be bringing developers from Tesla into Twitter

Two different calibre of engineers, doubt this will work out very well.

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Post by [deleted] »

phailhaus wrote: post #110
hn8305823 wrote: post #69

He literally said it will not be a free for all. He may be chaotic, but he's not stupid. There is a huge difference between no moderation (anarchy), and not targeting conservative voices solely based on ideology.

> not targeting conservative voices solely based on ideology. This literally does not happen, and is entirely made up in a form of projection. In fact, Twitter has been found to be biased towards recommending right-wing sources. [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-a...

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Post by narrator »

bambax wrote: post #353

The reason why Musk eventually bought Twitter, when he did, and at the price he paid, was to avoid having to testify under oath in the lawsuit against him. He was going to be deposed, exposed, and in the end he was also going to lose and suffer the indignity of having to pay a high price for something he fiercely said he didn't want anymore. Better bite the bullet earlier than later. Now that doesn't explain why he w…

The job of a good lawyer is to predict what the judge is going to say after the client has wasted his money on litigating. The main purpose of going all the way to trial is if someone is lying. Then that's the job of the jury to determine who's lying and who's telling the truth.
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