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NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Fear of dying of covid because someone is taking their child to play in a park certainly is.

And was the contagiousness of covid perfectly understood as soon as it was discovered?

Certainly by the time vaccine mandates came around, we had a pretty good idea of the contagiousness and lethality of the disease.

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They took people's livelyhoods away, and now they gotta pay.

When you willingly refuse to get vaccinated, and are thus more likely to catch and spread COVID, shouldn't we make you pay for any lives you've contributed to taking away?

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Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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What was wild is the amount of hate and vitriol directed towards those who chose not get to vaccinated and lost or risked losing their jobs. This forum was not exempt from that hate. I hope this court opinion is enough to sway the opinion of those who held such extreme beliefs in this vaccine mandate that there are different opinions, and it doesnt have to be so extreme when deciding how to move forward with things t…

There wasn't hate, at least not broadly. There was anger, sure, but not hate. At the time the focus was on making sure the vaccinations were taken seriously so as to protect those who couldn't do it, and plenty of people instead made ideological and self-centered decisions (their right to do so) rather than compassionate and ethical ones.

There wasn't broad levels of hate?

Da fuq?

People were being called plague rats, scum, degenerates, etc. At societal, national, international, levels, unvaccinated people were 'other'ed to an extremely disturbing degree - fired from work, separated from loved ones, locked indoors, bashed on national media at all levels.

People were talking, and still talk of denying them medical treatment, ending the Geneva convention, altering the Declaration of Human Rights, etc, to force people into taking "perfectly safe and 100% effective" vaccines. Which weren't that at all.

Anyone who spoke out for them was the target of immediate white-hot anger. Don't know where you live to have missed all this, but claiming there wasn't broad levels of hate is just gaslighting, and I don't like it.

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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And was the contagiousness of covid perfectly understood as soon as it was discovered?

Certainly by the time vaccine mandates came around, we had a pretty good idea of the contagiousness and lethality of the disease.

At that point, they had also taken the caution tape off the playground by me. I'm unaware who mandated that. As far as I can tell, many aspects of the disease and vaccines are still quite controversial, though it seems to me that vaccines are helpful.

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Did I use the term incorrectly? A sibling comment is someone else’s comment that shares a parent comment, is it not? I’ve seen others use this term

I think that the confusion is with the word my . If you had said a sibling comment , it would likely have been immediately clear. Linking or quoting the sibling comment would avoid linguistic ambiguity altogether.

I see. I will try that next time

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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That’s easy: it’s not our guy! It’s those other guys! We’re wonderful and they’re terrible! That’s how incumbents can maintain their edge whilst Congress as a body is untrusted. I’m convinced that capping the House of Representatives at 435 was a mistake, and Federalizing most laws even more of a mistake. The question isn’t whether democracy can scale, but whether ours can within its present constraints. The reforms…

I have been in favor of 3 changes to the House. 1. Wyoming Rule. No district should be larger than the least populist state. 2. Make DC a Museum. With modern technology there is no need to "send" legislatures to Washington DC, they can vote, meet, etc all remotely. This will make lobbying more expensive, and put the representatives back in their actual communities, because lets face it most of them represent Washingt…

I'm entirely in favor of making lobbying as expensive as possible, but I disagree that there isn't something to be gained from having people be in the same physical location to achieve a common goal. Some things just can't be done very well over Zoom.

I do wish that more federal functions would be spread out throughout the country, in the same way that Germany does; many of their federal agencies are headquartered in places far away from Berlin. There's no reason why the USDA shouldn't be headquartered in Kansas City, the Fed in New York, and the Department of the Interior in Wyoming.

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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They took people's livelyhoods away, and now they gotta pay.

When you willingly refuse to get vaccinated, and are thus more likely to catch and spread COVID, shouldn't we make you pay for any lives you've contributed to taking away?

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Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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> No vaccine prevents transmission. Wrong. Some viruses don't get transmitted if the person is not symptomatic, even if there's an infection. Your lack of understanding belies your argument. > Ask yourself what the efficacy would need to be for you to be pro-vax-mandate. I suspect I already know the answer. Well, first of all, the vaccine has to be: * effective, * free of major side effects, * for a virus that kills…

Not just the federal government! All levels of government have limits on their powers. Important in the context of a New York state court ruling.

Yes, exactly! Thank you for saying that when I forgot to.

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Well clearly there is an elite class to whom body autonomy is granted, and an underclass who must follow arbitrary and capricious rules. OP appreciates that celebrities and entertainers are our betters and should not be held to the same standard.

Yes exactly. You are allowed to infect people with a deadly pandemic if you're rich, but if you're poor you have to risk personal medical consequences or lose your remote job.

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Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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They took people's livelyhoods away, and now they gotta pay.

They were fired for cause, namely, insubordination. The resistance to vaccination is entirely political. The mandate was not, but instead in the interests of public safety and health. Easing the mandate for special cases was a terrible decision. The decision to ease the mandate should be reversed, not the mandate itself. So quickly they've forgotten the piles of bodies of COVID victims in NYC.

If you believe that punishing political dissidents is an acceptable way to operate, your just priming your political enemies to become brown shirts.
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