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Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by davidf18 » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 5:37 AM UTC

runjake wrote: post #247

throwup wrote: post #205

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That can't be the whole story. If we assume the drive can write 500MB/s (conservative), and an OS install takes up 50GB of space (conservative), it should take less than 2 minutes to write the partition. Where does the other 58 minutes go?

I jumped on the upgrade bandwagon quickly this morning and the entire upgrade took about 15 minutes on my M1 MBP 13". Presumably, you're experiencing the same download issues my work MBP is experiencing. It's been downloading for over an hour and is just barely past 50%. My Internet bandwidth is 10G real-world and un-busy, so presumably Apple's CDN is getting hit good.

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Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by cschmatzler » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 5:46 AM UTC

perryizgr8 wrote: post #323

yamtaddle wrote: post #174

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> Um preferences -Oh hai I'm called Settings now and I reorganized everything Oh good. I find it by typing "settings" 100% of the time because I can never remember what it's called ("System Preferences", evidently) but that works less-well than it might since that's not the name—it doesn't fully match until I've typed the whole word.

Now I have to rewrite my automator script for dealing with the bug where macos keeps forgetting to put my external monitor into 144 Hz mode.

Would you be so kind to share that script?

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by zeppelin101 » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 5:47 AM UTC

smw wrote: post #112

anigbrowl wrote: post #94

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Windows also defaults to full text file searches instead of filenames, which is super annoying when you have thousands upon thousands of documents. It's often faster to open a terminal window, type 'dir search string and open the file from the terminal.

Try everything search [0], I don't think I could use windows without it. Just search filenames, instant, whole disk. [0] https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/

Seconded. This is a killer app. I can't imagine using Windows without it.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by sirwhinesalot » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 5:55 AM UTC

Some very nice additions, specially in the backend (like improvements to the virtualization framework and metal 3). But I still despise this new iOS-inspired UI. They should make iOS prettier and more usable not macOS uglier and less usable.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by laundermaf » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 5:57 AM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #172

Stopped reading at > With Continuity Camera, Mac users can leverage the powerful camera system on iPhone to unleash a groundbreaking webcam experience I don't have the energy to parse a lot of text like this...

Hasn't 2000s+ Apple always talked that way in their marketing copy?

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by seehafer » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 6:01 AM UTC

zephyr9 wrote: post #358

johnebgd wrote: post #331

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MacOS X peaked in being user friendly with Tiger.

I vehemently disagree, Snow Leopard was the champion.

Fellow Snow Leopard fan here. Best version of any OS, ever, in my estimation.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by ar_lan » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 6:02 AM UTC

nougatbyte wrote: post #308

ar_lan wrote: post #228

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My previous experience with Windows (~3 years ago) was that every single update took ~2 hours to complete, and they were asking to update weekly. I used to game weekly with my friends, and because of the above problem, I would have to turn on my computer the night before and start the update so I would be able to reliably play a game the following day - otherwise, there was an extremely good chance that they would st…

I heard Apex runs pretty good on Linux via Proton

Ooooh! I haven't checked on Proton in some time but this is exciting news! I'm going to check this out, thanks!

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by metafunctor » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 6:05 AM UTC

zitterbewegung wrote: post #181

yamtaddle wrote: post #174

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> Um preferences -Oh hai I'm called Settings now and I reorganized everything Oh good. I find it by typing "settings" 100% of the time because I can never remember what it's called ("System Preferences", evidently) but that works less-well than it might since that's not the name—it doesn't fully match until I've typed the whole word.

I’ve used macs since system 7 and it went from oh I know what to click to basically me typing in the search bar for what to find.

In recent years I've been using the search bar a lot anyway, since the modal nature of the old System Preferences app wasn't great for quickly checking through several settings screens. And I often forget where some settings are — the taxonomy is not always so clear.

The new Settings app seems like an improvement to me. The vertical list of settings categories is easier to quickly scan, and it remains visible all the time. That alone is a great improvement, and makes it quite a bit easier to navigate the (huge) list of available settings.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by wingworks » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 6:23 AM UTC

alwillis wrote: post #90

sramsay wrote: post #50

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Right now, homebrew is refusing to compile packages from source: Error: Your Xcode (14.0.1) is too outdated. Please update to Xcode 14.1 (or delete it). Xcode can be updated from the App Store.

I’ve been running Homebrew on Ventura beta all summer; if you don’t want to install the entire colossal Xcode 14.1, you probably just need the latest command line tools [1]. [1]: https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command...

There is a new RC out (RC 2) https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command...

You may also need to run sudo xcode-select -switch /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by fake-name » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 6:27 AM UTC

m000 wrote: post #198

zestyping wrote: post #16

Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?

What do you mean "still mostly useless"? Is there anything more usable on any other OS? I moved back to Windows a couple of years back. Spotlight is the second thing I miss most from macOS, with the first being Preview.

Mentioned elsewhere, Everything search by voidtools: https://www.voidtools.com. It does funky things with monitoring some component of the NTFS filesystem to maintain a up-to-date index of every filename on your computer, and makes them searchable literally as fast as you can type.

(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33321000)

There seems to be two kind of searching people do. Some people want a search tool that searches in documents. Some people want a search tool that searches filenames.

Everything search is exclusively the second. I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've wanted to search inside documents in the last 10+ years (and for those cases, grep has worked fine, even on windows!).

For some reason, searching inside documents seems to be the default for both windows and os x search, and it's super annoying.