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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by pclmulqdq »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #163
pclmulqdq wrote: post #124

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We don't need a free speech platform. People need a choice as to how the content they see is moderated. That's what forums used to do, until we collectively decided to just put all the forums on Facebook or Twitter rather than having separate forums for each interest. Everyone thinking "we need free speech on Twitter" has lost the plot, and, as you mentioned, the revealed preference of people who claim they want free…

You are onto something, but companies doing the moderating are doing what they can to ensure that: a) new entrants can't exist ( Parler, Truth.. whatever ) b) the rules are so generic that they ensure given platform can ban whatever And this is why people clamor for simple free speech slogan. If this is how we understand it, then we do need free speech.

The tragedy of the commons happened. The old situation had a few fatal flaws (mostly discoverability) that meant that new entrants could take almost all the oxygen out of forums by having a weird form of "mass appeal." It worked for a while, but the cracks are starting to show.

Unfortunately, I doubt that we can put the cat back in the bag.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by [deleted] »

smrtinsert wrote: post #150
evgen wrote: post #130

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He has also become quite tight with Candace Owens recently. She has been publicly supporting his persecution complex and appeared with him in the White Lives Matter t-shirt incident at the Paris Fashion Week event. I will give you two guesses who the CEO of Parler is married to...

This is shameful. You couldn't ask for a clearer example of taking advantage of a vulnerable person.

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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by elmomle »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #306
AlwaysRock wrote: post #213

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It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

As someone who doesn't listen to much rap / hip hop, and can only name his cover (adaptation?) of Stronger, I do know who Kanye is. I don't know anything about his music. Mostly I just know of him because he's a very public asshole. Much like his wife. I find it basically impossible to empathize with him. I just wouldn't ever be in that situation. "Rising against adversity" is not the story I'd be be using here so mu…

> I just wouldn't ever be in that situation

That seems to me to be impossible to say with certainty.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by TremendousJudge »

bombcar wrote: post #225
madeofpalk wrote: post #49

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> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable. Here, you've solved it. "The free market", both users and advertisers, demand content moderation. If you want to attract users, you need a website that isn't a cesspool of 'toxicity'. If you don't want to drive away those who actually pay for your website (advertisers), you'll need to moderate. Reddit has p…

They could grow the website just fine - it was growing the advertising (read: profits) that is the problem. And you'll know the death-knell for reddit is here when they crack down on the porn.

No, it wasn't just about advertising. Some types of content (piracy, child porn, etc) would get them in actual legal trouble

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by 11thEarlOfMar »

The antidote for all who gain information via the Internet is to develop their common sense and critical thinking skills. We must know what to question and then, how to pull answers to form our judgements and our resulting actions. These skills need to be core to all education curriculum.

This is most critical for judgements that lead to consequential decisions and actions. Whether you love someone or hate them, those feelings lead to bad outcomes if not based on correct information and reasoning.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by z7 »

dk775 wrote: post #274
simongr3dal wrote: post #172

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The story told on the Dissect podcast[1] about Kanye and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy really paints a picture of a person who is not very well. [1]: https://anchor.fm/dissect/episodes/S2E1--Kanye-West-The-Elep...

Listen to his interviews yourself. Any medium, including podcasts, are packaging a narrative for you to hear. For better or worse. Personally and I’m black I listened to his latest interview and his points are pretty strong, it becomes obvious how he is being painted in a false light after hearing the interviews for yourself then hearing other people use clips to say he’s mentally ill and crazy.

This wouldn't surprise me. I haven't listened to the interviews myself, but a lot of people here seem to base their claims on having read secondary sources, not primary sources. In other words, their view of reality is based on how a journalist decided to summarize a conversation that is often multiple hours long. I'm not sure this constitutes a strong enough chain of evidence to diagnose someone with a mental illness.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by danuker »

tsol wrote: post #82
danuker wrote: post #36

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On one hand, there should ideally be no discrimination. So, hate speech directed even at white males should be disallowed. On the other hand, society resolved through politics (such as Affirmative Action) that the compound interest and lasting synergistic effects of historical discrimination should be compensated for somewhat. The only way to do that is through more discrimination (i.e. relatively penalizing the leas…

>The only way to do that is through more discrimination (i.e. relatively penalizing the least historically discriminated-against people). Which is done by creating opportunities for historically discriminated groups, not blindly handicapping white people for being white. I'm not white, but it's really worrying to me that that's allowed. Today it's them, tomorrow it's me, then it's you.

I agree with you. Rule of law should be upheld, and laws should be objective.

For instance, taxes for minority X will be Y% smaller for the next Z decades.

This is why I don't like where companies are currently going - arbitrary enforcement.

Why not make the laws or rules clear? Because it affords them some level of plausible deniability to push agendae.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by MichaelCollins »

coinbasetwwa wrote: post #282
adamrezich wrote: post #246

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is anyone else completely uncomfortable with how completely comfortable everyone is with people playing armchair psychiatrist for people they've never even personally met these days

Yes. “Everyone I disagree with is crazy” is a real thing and disgusting. Reading a psychology book and a couple pop news articles doesn’t make these people psychiatrists or psychologists.

Psychiatry has been used as a political weapon for nearly as long as it has existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by danuker »

dd36 wrote: post #47
danuker wrote: post #36

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On one hand, there should ideally be no discrimination. So, hate speech directed even at white males should be disallowed. On the other hand, society resolved through politics (such as Affirmative Action) that the compound interest and lasting synergistic effects of historical discrimination should be compensated for somewhat. The only way to do that is through more discrimination (i.e. relatively penalizing the leas…

Twitter has corporate users and advertisers. If it became 4chan, that would all evaporate. It also has professionals. There’s a point at which unmoderated content drives out all but the trolls, spammers, and haters.

I don't have a stance on principled moderation of content. Only on arbitrary enforcement.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by spywaregorilla »

elmomle wrote: post #363
spywaregorilla wrote: post #306

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As someone who doesn't listen to much rap / hip hop, and can only name his cover (adaptation?) of Stronger, I do know who Kanye is. I don't know anything about his music. Mostly I just know of him because he's a very public asshole. Much like his wife. I find it basically impossible to empathize with him. I just wouldn't ever be in that situation. "Rising against adversity" is not the story I'd be be using here so mu…

> I just wouldn't ever be in that situation That seems to me to be impossible to say with certainty.

Short of something fundamentally changing my personality, I'm absolutely certain that I would never do the things he does.
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