Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 • Hacker News Board

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by SmokeyHamster » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:53 PM UTC

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #25

Shame he couldn't do anything about that when he was either CEO, chairman or on the board of Twitter (for most of its existence). As Bloomberg said yesterday: "Twitter Is in This Mess Because Jack Dorsey Was Too Busy Being a Bitcoin Influencer" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-29/twitter-t... https://archive.ph/7ugqn

In Dorsey's own words, he was only one vote on the board, and only had 3% share in the company.

Whether he put 100% of his time into Twitter or 1%, that doesn't change the fact that he had very limited influence over his own company. Twitter's board is what has caused all their problems, often by explicitly rejecting Dorsey's advice.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by svnt » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:53 PM UTC

b112 wrote: post #343

Schroedingersat wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never asserted you don't need the other things. You need intelligence, social skills, hard work, privilege, and a complete lack of morals.

What a horrible, dim, dark view of reality. You do not need a lack of morals to succeed. And privilege is not a precursor for success either, it just helps, and as others have said, very much does not guarantee anything.

> You do not need a lack of morals to succeed.

What is your definition of success? What is your definition of morals?

Parent probably means something like “become a billionaire through hostile takeovers” and “interpersonal applied empathy, conscientiousness, and compassion.”

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by NateEag » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:55 PM UTC

cammikebrown wrote: post #45

crizzlenizzle wrote: post #28

> Twitter started as a protocol. Can someone help me understand that? When and how did it start as a protocol?

He might have meant that the “idea” of Twitter was originally a protocol.

I don't have a source, but I have a nagging feeling that I once read that Twitter's original goal was to be a platform-independent away message.

If true, that's very much a protocol in intent, even if not in practice.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by esotericimpl » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:57 PM UTC

andrewflnr wrote: post #5

ploum wrote: post #2

For someone invested in decentralized protocols, it just sounds like people trying to reinvent the wheel. "let’s make it decentralized" "wow, very cool idea". Those guys are business guys but they have no idea what they are talking about. They don’t know the first bit about technical decentralization, about prior art, about the politics involved. They are so close of realizing that their companies are Frankenstein mo…

> Twitter started as a protocol. It should have never been a company. That was the original sin. Dorsey seems to have figured it out.

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by stazz1 » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:58 PM UTC

Really interesting that Dorsey unironically says "governments" instead of "government" and expects us to believe that Twitter has not been aiding and abetting foreign assets after that whistleblower testimony came to light in Congress

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by esotericimpl » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 4:03 PM UTC

hardnose wrote: post #308

andrewflnr wrote: post #18

I have to admit this is a bit surprising from Musk. I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. I note he's not agreeing strongly with Dorsey, with the strongest phrase being "I'd like to help if I can". And I still think he would be better off using any money he might have spent buying Twitter on funding a handful of open source com…

>I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. Why is it so hard to believe that Musk genuinely believes in exactly the version of "freedom of speech" that everyone in his generation grew up with, that served as the impetus for much of the internet's creation, etc.?

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by SmokeyHamster » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 4:03 PM UTC

philliphaydon wrote: post #191

mola wrote: post #186

There's an axiom in discussions here where Twitter needs saving. Why? In what way is it non successful? In what way is it broken? I mean most Twitter discussions I ever saw are disgusting or plain dumb mascarading as profound. I don't think the medium of a public square like that is a good thing, and I would be happy to see its demise. But it seems successful in the way it usually lead the public discourse similarly…

> In what way is it broken? My biggest issue with Twitter is the lack of moderation, theres SO much propaganda on there. I report tweets where someone threatens someone and they are like 'oh no violation'... I reported a tweet with a video of ukraine where they showed un-blured body parts of dead people and a message praising russian soldiers for 'smashing nazis into little pieces'... and it was 'no violation' (thank…

>My biggest issue with Twitter is the lack of moderation, theres SO much propaganda on there.

Yes and no. There's too little moderation in some areas and way too much in other areas.

If you follow conservative politics, someone can say something like "men are women are biologically different" and they'll have their account banned for a catch-all "hate speech" violation. Meanwhile, someone can say "Trump should be assassinated", and get thousands of retweets and no administrative action.

Case in point, Trump is still banned from Twitter for tweeting "go home in peace and love", yet Putin, the leader of a country we're currently in a proxy war against, still has a verified account.

Bottom line, Twitter is an irredeemable toxic cesspool full of both propaganda and massive censorship.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by lordgilman » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 4:06 PM UTC

stazz1 wrote: post #365

Really interesting that Dorsey unironically says "governments" instead of "government" and expects us to believe that Twitter has not been aiding and abetting foreign assets after that whistleblower testimony came to light in Congress

California is a government too, separate from the federal government of the United States, and it hasn't been shy about regulating tech companies. I don't think this jump to foreign governments is substantiated.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by fortuna86 » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 4:14 PM UTC

graycrow wrote: post #39

dmw_ng wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dorsey is an engineer

And so is Musk.

He went to business school.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by ForHackernews » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

colinmhayes wrote: post #350

ForHackernews wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Elon Musk was definitely privileged, but he built himself up. Mostly he got lucky that his early crappy company got acquired by Paypal, and then he won the Paypal lottery. The Musk story is about 70% right-place-right-time, 25% great salesmanship and 5% actual engineering genius. Keep in mind this is a guy who thinks a billion dollar explosive vacuum tube[0] is a better idea than... a train. [0] https://www.imeche.…

> The Musk story is about 70% right-place-right-time, 25% great salesmanship and 5% actual engineering genius It's just so hard for me to believe this when he's had 3 successful companies. At that point he's making his own luck. I'd put the numbers at 20% luck for being able to attend expensive schools, 65% salesmanship for getting people into EVs and rockets and being a huge persona on twitter, and 15% being good at…

You don't have to make your own luck when you're a billionaire - everyone else will make it for you. Anything Elon musk touches is instant investor catnip and he has a cult of true believers that chase any trend he offhandedly mentions. Evidence: look what happens to any shitcoin he tweets about.