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Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by kikokikokiko »

dontlaugh wrote: post #357
kikokikokiko wrote: post #324

The ads angle, in my opinion, is the least important piece of this news. What shocks me really is how Germany, one of the (if not THE) most advanced societies on Earth, came to a point where it can not produce enough energy to sustain it's needs. Western civilization has a masochistic saviour complex, and will freeze to death in winter in the name of "saving the world". I, living in a 3rd world country, can only look…

Germany (and not only) is only wealthy by extracting vast amounts of wealth from other countries. This is done through unequal exchange, like poorly paid immigrants in Germany, ownership of factories in other countries with low wages, extracting resources at tiny prices from other countries, giving out loans at usury rates to countries who have been made to have no other choice, etc. Germany is failing to generate en…

What a load of BS. Of the top of my mind:

-Germany pratically "invented" 100% of the chemistry we use today. Pharmaceuticals, industrial chemistry, you name it.

-The fertilizer revolution that made it possible for today's 8 billion humans to exist.

- Rocket science, and jet propulsion technology, that made the world the small thing it is today.

- The internal combustion engine, that made it possible to cheaply deliver the food the fertilizers made cheap...

Germany is rich because it's people are industrious and smart. What the hell, why does entitled 1st world millenials have become soviet lunatics?

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by someguydave »

cardanome wrote: post #345
someguydave wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think Germans will not blame Russia for problems caused by the lack of Russian gas?

Russia claims it would deliver as much gas as we need if we were to open Nordstream-2 though.

The same Russia invading Europe on its eastern borders? Hasn’t dependence on Russian gas earned some suspicions among ordinary Germans?

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by foepys »

someguydave wrote: post #331
foepys wrote: post #304

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This is revisionist history and your completely false accusations put it near Russian propaganda territory. I challenge you to find even a single proof for what you wrote. The Greens were the only party calling for embargoes against Russia to stop importing Russian gas all together in 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea. They also opposed Nord Stream 2 from the beginning. They inherited the clusterfuck the conservatives…

Russian propagandists would accuse Russia of secret interference in European politics? Of course evidence on these matters is going to be hard to find. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-s...

Your "proof" is not supporting anything. Environmentalists can be anybody.

Russia didn't want Germany to utilize fracking gas because this would mean that Germany doesn't need Russia anymore. The Green party opposes any gas where possible. Just because Russia financed a few fringe groups doesn't mean that the Green party is in bed with Russia.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-2-die...

This clearly proves that in June 2021 the Greens already predicted what would happen in 2022 and opposed the opening of Nord Stream 2 because of geopolitical and security risks.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by korse »

polycaster wrote: post #213
locallost wrote: post #202

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That's pretty crazy. We used to spend 1400 KWh as a family of three. Didn't check the latest numbers as a family of four, but I don't expect a lot more. We even cook / bake a lot. What on earth are people spending electricity on?

> What on earth are people spending electricity on? I guess there are just a lot more appliances in use today and we're more lazy. When I, approaching my 40s, compare our household with my parents household when I was a child there a various notable changes in habits: - My mother hang the loundry to dry. We seldomly do this anymore, instead we're using a dryer. These things are insanely power-hungry. - Electronics fo…

Also, traditional landline phones (no hands free short range radio etc) draw power from the telecom central office. They aren't on your standard grid so you are effectively paying for that electricity on your phone bill.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by vasco »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #61
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #36

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It isn't the ads, really: They are realistically speaking of lighting in bus stops, underpasses, and train stations. Lighting in those areas, which tend to be dark or populated, helps folks feel safer. Taking away the ads makes these places darker, and I can understand not suddenly having nervous folks not take the bus or train. Though, I agree: They can get bent about the contracts. The proper response is to install…

Still, emitting light through a thick diffuser and a poster is not as efficient as just putting up a light.

If you put a poster in front, the poster pays for the light.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by dontlaugh »

kikokikokiko wrote: post #361
dontlaugh wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany (and not only) is only wealthy by extracting vast amounts of wealth from other countries. This is done through unequal exchange, like poorly paid immigrants in Germany, ownership of factories in other countries with low wages, extracting resources at tiny prices from other countries, giving out loans at usury rates to countries who have been made to have no other choice, etc. Germany is failing to generate en…

What a load of BS. Of the top of my mind: -Germany pratically "invented" 100% of the chemistry we use today. Pharmaceuticals, industrial chemistry, you name it. -The fertilizer revolution that made it possible for today's 8 billion humans to exist. - Rocket science, and jet propulsion technology, that made the world the small thing it is today. - The internal combustion engine, that made it possible to cheaply delive…

German workers did all that, while they themselves are exploited by German capitalists. The same capitalists then extended their exploitation to other countries, where they could get away with even worse. I recommend you read Lenin's Imperialism.

I'm from a poor country, still exploited by Germany, Austria, France, Britain, Italy, Hungary, the US, etc. My country used to have collective control over resources and industry, but that was destroyed in 89 and we were forced to privatise, deregulate and be in debt again.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by _ph_ »

kikokikokiko wrote: post #324

The ads angle, in my opinion, is the least important piece of this news. What shocks me really is how Germany, one of the (if not THE) most advanced societies on Earth, came to a point where it can not produce enough energy to sustain it's needs. Western civilization has a masochistic saviour complex, and will freeze to death in winter in the name of "saving the world". I, living in a 3rd world country, can only look…

Germany is well able to produce enough energy to sustain its needs. It actually had to produce quite a surplus this year so far to support the European grid as a lot of French nuclear power plants had to be shut down for unscheduled maintenance and due to the drought. But of course, gas is scarce, as Russia is only supplying a fraction of its normal supply, so there is a lot of reason to be energy efficient. Also, as a consequence of the shortage, energy prices are quite up. If there was ever a time to get serious about saving energy, now would be it.

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Post by lioeters »

potamic wrote: post #62

My city banned billboard advertising once. All of them digital and non-digital. It was fabulous and finally felt like a place to live. Sadly it did not last long and their revival only reinforced how refreshing their absence was. I think we do not realize the value of visual space and pay a heavy price when we decide to monetize it.

Banksy on Advertising

> People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate.

> They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.

> Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.

> You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by kikokikokiko »

dontlaugh wrote: post #366
kikokikokiko wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a load of BS. Of the top of my mind: -Germany pratically "invented" 100% of the chemistry we use today. Pharmaceuticals, industrial chemistry, you name it. -The fertilizer revolution that made it possible for today's 8 billion humans to exist. - Rocket science, and jet propulsion technology, that made the world the small thing it is today. - The internal combustion engine, that made it possible to cheaply delive…

German workers did all that, while they themselves are exploited by German capitalists. The same capitalists then extended their exploitation to other countries, where they could get away with even worse. I recommend you read Lenin's Imperialism. I'm from a poor country, still exploited by Germany, Austria, France, Britain, Italy, Hungary, the US, etc. My country used to have collective control over resources and ind…

It was "destroyed" by whom really? I thought the collective control of "the means of production" was such an amazing thing that it could never lead to the "destruction" of a society that engages in it, who would have imagined.

I'm also from a poor country, but at least down here the powers that control everything weren't dumb enough to let this place become a collectivized wasteland.

Being poor is alright, at least here you can work hard and give a better life to your kids than your parents were able to give you.

Just like you know what, the cities that have a large population of german immigrants down here do. These cities have in general a GDP per capta that is 3 times larger than the average GDP in my country. It seems like those guys are just industrious, smart, and have a culture of hard work you know, who would have thought...

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